A possible cause of Christian Anti-Semitism

[Blackbog]

Hum! this is very vague? Can you be more specific? I need examples to understand your point.

This is kind of straying from the topic of race to the topic of decentralization of government; but–what the heck–we’ve gone plenty off-topic thus far, and no one seems to object…

For example, if the elected representatives of a state or local government, or the people themselves through referendum, decided to vote to have the public transportation system consist of buses for blacks and buses for whites–which, admittedly, would make no logistical sense and would be extremely unlikely if not impossible to pass in any state or local government in America today–I would support that state or local government’s rights to do that, whereas presently the U.S. Supreme Court would say that such a law would be unconstitutional, and the feds would step in to stop it.

 

[Valke2]

All those with a far-right political bent should not be held responsible for the “militant” activities of a few white nationalists, any more than all Christians should be held accountable for the activities of the Westborough (sp?) Baptist Church.

There are just as many if not more peaceable, intelligent, non-hating people on Stormfront as there are hate-filled extremists. Just because you disagree with some of their opinions, whether it’s the historical revisionism or the science of race or whatever, doesn’t make it okay to smear them all with blanket accusations.

And, it goes without saying, that anyone reading this can either affirm of invalidate these accusations themselves by typing stormfront.org into their browser. It’s an accessible forum just like any other, and you can’t honestly expect a thinking person to accept your vitriol at face value.

Here’s an accusation I have validated. You tend to post antisemitic statements. I don’t need long winded discussions to reach such an obvious conclusion.

 

[Blackbog]

Here’s an accusation I have validated. You tend to post antisemitic statements. I don’t need long winded discussions to reach such an obvious conclusion.

Neither do I need a long-winded explanation to address your accusation. A simple quotation of the anti-Semitic statement(s) to which you refer would do fine.

 

[LaMar]

Neither do I need a long-winded explanation to address your accusation. A simple quotation of the anti-Semitic statement(s) to which you refer would do fine.

Please. Everything you’ve written here has an undertone of shameful antisemitism.

Web pages like stormfront dot org make much ado about “White unity”. It makes me laugh. Which White people does stormfront serve? The working class White person wants to work less hours for more pay. His White boss wants him to work more hours for less pay. The White farmer wants to farm his own land. The White landowner wants to keep collecting rent from the farmer.

Racism and national/religious chauvinism might seem an affordable luxury in a time of excess, when working people can fight among themselves over nonsense (like religion) and still make ends meet. In a few years it might not be so easy to feed your children and make the house payment in America and Europe. At that point you will need to put all this nonsense aside and see other working people, of whatever religious or ethnic origin, as your brothers and sisters.

Think about it.

 

[Blackbog]

Please. Everything you’ve written here has an undertone of shameful antisemitism.

Web pages like stormfront dot org make much ado about “White unity”. It makes me laugh. Which White people does stormfront serve? The working class White person wants to work less hours for more pay. His White boss wants him to work more hours for less pay. The White farmer wants to farm his own land. The White landowner wants to keep collecting rent from the farmer.

Racism and national/religious chauvinism might seem an affordable luxury in a time of excess, when working people can fight among themselves over nonsense (like religion) and still make ends meet. In a few years it might not be so easy to feed your children and make the house payment in America and Europe. At that point you will need to put all this nonsense aside and see other working people, of whatever religious or ethnic origin, as your brothers and sisters.

Think about it.

I see everyone as my brothers and sisters in Christ.

Oh, and regarding your tired accusation of anti-Semitism, I obviously think that you are mistaken. I fully realize that no amount of rational discussion on the matter will convince you that you are mistaken, and in fact I suspect that the mistake is intentional. You prefer to believe that I hate Jews due to your violent opposition to my opinions, and it makes it easier for you to deal with it. The fact that I peacefully and coherently convey my opinions, without personally attacking, labeling, or otherwise attempting to marginalize those who disagree with me, probably irritates you. In fact, I get that same vibe from a lot of people in this thread, and so this will be the last time I bother to post here. I am not doing this in an attempt to “one-up” you. Go ahead and rejoice. You win, the crazy anti-Semite neo Nazi has left the thread!

 

[LaMar]

I see everyone as my brothers and sisters in Christ.

Oh, and regarding your tired accusation of anti-Semitism, I obviously think that you are mistaken. I fully realize that no amount of rational discussion on the matter will convince you that you are mistaken, and in fact I suspect that the mistake is intentional. You prefer to believe that I hate Jews due to your violent opposition to my opinions, and it makes it easier for you to deal with it. The fact that I peacefully and coherently convey my opinions, without personally attacking, labeling, or otherwise attempting to marginalize those who disagree with me, probably irritates you. In fact, I get that same vibe from a lot of people in this thread, and so this will be the last time I bother to post here. I am not doing this in an attempt to “one-up” you. Go ahead and rejoice. You win, the crazy anti-Semite neo Nazi has left the thread!

I’m not sure where the reference to “tired accusations” comes from. This is the first time I responded to you personally. I did read your articles yesterday, quietly.

As someone who admires the teachings of Jesus you’ll understand why I felt the need to comment. My reading of the New Testament suggests the Jesus character would not have approved of your chauvinism and stereotyping. His advice to people like me was to at least speak out when we see injustice. I don’t even believe Jesus existed, and I seem to take his wise counsel much more seriously than many others, which is amusing in itself.

I respect your positions, even though I don’t share them. I hope you’ll think about this conversation over the years, and be open to the possibility that such attitudes as we see on stormfront might be counter-productive. In fact, I hope you’ll realize that this sort of stuff is not in the best interests of most White people at all. Working people who fight one another are a benefit to a certain class in society, which doesn’t delude itself that race or religion mean anything. These are the people you should be speaking out against…not working class Jews, Muslims, Blacks and Hispanics who share all the same problems as you.

Best,

LaMar

 

[chosen_people]

Regarding the OP, I think that theory is absolutely ludicrous.

Anti-Semitism is, at least in part, due to actions of Jews themselves. It’s a simple law of cause and effect.

If you don’t believe me, look at the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. The leading revolutionaries were primarily Jews. After they overthrew the Russian government, most of the commisars were Jews. The Jews at that time made up less than 1% of the Russian population.

Or, look at the media in America today. Magazines, movies, television, music videos, etc… most of the major companies that produce the filth that floods our market is made by Jews.

I’m not being anti-Semitic, I’m just pointing out facts. I am not a white supremacist, and believe as the Church teaches that all men are equally endowed with rational souls, etc.

But for whatever reason, the culture of Jews in other countries is such that they successfully make it to positions of power, whether in media or finance or politics, and they begin to systematically unravel the cultural fabric of the host country.

That’s just history.

You are absolutely correct. A lot of people don’t know this but Lenin and Stalin were Jews. The Jew Freud invented promiscuity and extra marital sex. Jews invented abortions to help keep down the Christian population and everyone knows that all the abortions are being performed by Jewish doctors. The Jews invented liberalism to defeat Catholicism and they invented a lot of Jewish organizations like the ACLU to defeat the Church. They control all the money and all the banks in the world which they use to bribe their way to power and to buy companies where they make good Christians work for them at slave wages. They not only own all of Hollywood and the Porn industry but all of the media. Don’t be fooled by supposed non Jews like Robert Murdoch, he’s just a front man for the Elders of Zion. They use all their media power to try and undermine and malign good Christians. Like when they make up stories that there is a crime organization called the Mafia supposedly filled with Roman Catholics of Italian descent when everyone knows that the Jews control all the crime in the world from prostitution (where they infect good people with the Aids virus) to drugs (where they make you complacent so you won’t interfere with their machinations).

There is only one thing you can do to stop them. You must protect yourself by keeping away from all things owing their existence to Jews. Only in this way can you prevent yourself coming under their power and influence and save the cultural fabric of your society. Luckily this shouldn’t be difficult as Jews make up only one quarter of one per cent of the world’s population.

So here’s the plan:
a)Nothing to do with Jesus. It turns out he was Jewish and most of what he preached was basic Jewish ethics.
b) Don’t inoculate your children against Polio. The two types of vacines were nefarious Jewish inventions as is the syringe needle.
c) do not stop for red lights at intersections - the stop light was invented by one of them
d) Sorry but your computer hardware and software and even your disk on key are premanently infected with Jew virus
e) don’t even think of touching the Zionist Jewish cell phone
f) if you get sick don"t go near a hospital - not only will it be full of Jew doctors but most of the advanced medical equipment will have Jew all over it
g) If your children are studying the Jew science of physics tell them to stop (even when you find a past or present leading physicist whose not Jewish it turns out he or she was/is married to one of them)
h) Don’t turn on any advanced irrigation systems - its bound to be dripping with Zionist Jew
i) Don’t go near intellectuals (some 75 per cent of the world’s leading intellectuals are one of them) {In my next post I’ll explain to you what an intellectual is}

I could go on but I think its pretty clear how the Jews are undermining just about every field of human endeavour you can think of. We can only pray that they will stop.

 

[ralphinal]

You are absolutely correct. A lot of people don’t know this but Lenin and Stalin were Jews. The Jew Freud invented promiscuity and extra marital sex. Jews invented abortions to help keep down the Christian population and everyone knows that all the abortions are being performed by Jewish doctors. The Jews invented liberalism to defeat Catholicism and they invented a lot of Jewish organizations like the ACLU to defeat the Church. They control all the money and all the banks in the world which they use to bribe their way to power and to buy companies where they make good Christians work for them at slave wages. They not only own all of Hollywood and the Porn industry but all of the media. Don’t be fooled by supposed non Jews like Robert Murdoch, he’s just a front man for the Elders of Zion. They use all their media power to try and undermine and malign good Christians. Like when they make up stories that there is a crime organization called the Mafia supposedly filled with Roman Catholics of Italian descent when everyone knows that the Jews control all the crime in the world from prostitution (where they infect good people with the Aids virus) to drugs (where they make you complacent so you won’t interfere with their machinations).

There is only one thing you can do to stop them. You must protect yourself by keeping away from all things owing their existence to Jews. Only in this way can you prevent yourself coming under their power and influence and save the cultural fabric of your society. Luckily this shouldn’t be difficult as Jews make up only one quarter of one per cent of the world’s population.

So here’s the plan:
a)Nothing to do with Jesus. It turns out he was Jewish and most of what he preached was basic Jewish ethics.
b) Don’t inoculate your children against Polio. The two types of vacines were nefarious Jewish inventions as is the syringe needle.
c) do not stop for red lights at intersections - the stop light was invented by one of them
d) Sorry but your computer hardware and software and even your disk on key are premanently infected with Jew virus
e) don’t even think of touching the Zionist Jewish cell phone
f) if you get sick don"t go near a hospital - not only will it be full of Jew doctors but most of the advanced medical equipment will have Jew all over it
g) If your children are studying the Jew science of physics tell them to stop (even when you find a past or present leading physicist whose not Jewish it turns out he or she was/is married to one of them)
h) Don’t turn on any advanced irrigation systems - its bound to be dripping with Zionist Jew
i) Don’t go near intellectuals (some 75 per cent of the world’s leading intellectuals are one of them) {In my next post I’ll explain to you what an intellectual is}

I could go on but I think its pretty clear how the Jews are undermining just about every field of human endeavour you can think of. We can only pray that they will stop.

Oh no, I think that i caught the Jew last time I was in the hospital. What can I do? I don’t want it to spread. Save me from the jew!!!

 

[Lapell]

I could go on but I think its pretty clear how the Jews are undermining just about every field of human endeavour you can think of. We can only pray that they will stop.

Yeah, and you will have to avoid Singer sewing machines, they were invented by a Jew!

 

[Lapell]

And when they listen to violin concertos by master violinists of the 20th century, look out! Plenty of Jewish soloists: Jasha Heifetz, Yitzhak Perlman, Isaac Stern, Yehudi Menuhin, Pinchas Zuckerman, David Oistrakh…

 

[Blackbog]

Still receiving email notifications of additions to this thread, I’ve decided to take a brief break from my disappointingly brief hiatus (believe me, it disappoints me as well) to address the not-so-subtle attack against me by the poster known as “chosen people”.

The point I would like to make is that going off on an hysterical, sarcastic tirade, the aim of which is to lambast my opinions, does not constitute a legitimate address of my statements. It only serves to illustrate that you are (a) incapable of doing so directly, (b) found that doing so directly would be too cumbersome, due perhaps to laziness, or (c) are unworthy of being taken seriously, preferring comedy to serious discussion.

His post also illustrates how truth can be masked by hysterical falsities, intending to make the gullible reader dismiss any truth contained in the statement outright and altogether.

Example 1: Lenin and Stalin were Jews.

Truth: Stalin was not a Jew, but Lenin was. Furthermore Karl Marx was a Jew. Even further, some 450 of 500 high officials of the early communist government were Jews, according to a book published around that time entitled The Last Days of the Romanoffs, published in 1920 by a Russian correspondent to the London Times. As I said earlier, according to my best recollection, some less than 1% of the Russian population at that time were Jews.

Example 2: Freud was a Jew and invented sexual promiscuity.

Truth: Now, it is plainly obvious that Freud did not invent sexual promiscuity, but he was a Jew. And he was intensely atheistic.

“Religion, Freud believed, was an expression of underlying psychological neuroses and distress. At various points in his writings, he suggested that religion was an attempt to control the Oedipal complex, a means of giving structure to social groups, wish fulfillment, an infantile delusion, and an attempt to control the outside world.”

source: psychology.about.com/od/sigmundfreud/p/freud_religion.htm

Freudian psychology, according to Fulton J. Sheen in a Time article from Aug. 04, 1947, is “bootleg philosophy.”

It is important to understand why this statement was made about the man’s work, but no one will ever be persuaded to do so with comedians like “chosen people” making light of the whole thing.

I could go on, addressing each hysterical statement made in the tirade individually, but such an exercise would be almost as pointless as the original tirade itself. Suffice it to say that I am disappointed that posts of that kind pass for intelligent discussion around here.

 

[Lilyflower]

Fr Flannery (A Catholic priest)discusses the history of Christian anti-semitism, and puts forth a theory which I’d never heard before, and which sounded ludicrous at first, until I thought about it.

He says that some Christians who hate Jews intensely, do so because of deep-seated hatred of Christianity. In other words, they resent the restrictions Christianity puts upon them, and they subconsciously blame the Jews because Christianity originated with Judaism, and they see it as “safer” for them to hate Jews rather than admit they hate their own religion. Its what Freud used to refer to as “projecting”.

What do you think of this?

It seems plausible.

I have never understood anti-Semitism. Christ was after all a Jew. To dishoner them I believe is to dishoner Christ Himself.

To me, the Jews are our closest allys.

 

[Lapell]

Still receiving email notifications of additions to this thread, I’ve decided to take a brief break from my disappointingly brief hiatus (believe me, it disappoints me as well) to address the not-so-subtle attack against me by the poster known as “chosen people”.

The point I would like to make is that going off on an hysterical, sarcastic tirade, the aim of which is to lambast my opinions, does not constitute a legitimate address of my statements. It only serves to illustrate that you are (a) incapable of doing so directly, (b) found that doing so directly would be too cumbersome, due perhaps to laziness, or (c) are unworthy of being taken seriously, preferring comedy to serious discussion.

Hum! I think chosen people just kind of let you know that there are accusations against the Jews that are true exaggerations, and as a member of a people whom Hitler tried to annihilate completely and the state leaders of most countries seemed not only to be silent then, but worse than that, to agree with his actions quite wholeheartedly! Right here in Canada, I understand that when the officials were asked if our country would accept to let a number of Jews in, somebody answered: “None is too many.”… Yes, indeed, that was the answer, I am afraid. And I am ashamed of them who said such a thing! So if this sentiment was exactly the same nearly everywhere, I think you could understand chosen people’s reaction to the preceding post of yours and excuse him! It’s not a pleasant thing to feel unwelcome quite everywhere on this planet for really obscure reasons. I hope you can understand. I regret that you interpreted his “tirade” without this in mind. If I personally hurt you badly, I didn’t mean to.

 

[MelanieAnne]

Still receiving email notifications of additions to this thread, I’ve decided to take a brief break from my disappointingly brief hiatus (believe me, it disappoints me as well) to address the not-so-subtle attack against me by the poster known as “chosen people”.

The point I would like to make is that going off on an hysterical, sarcastic tirade, the aim of which is to lambast my opinions, does not constitute a legitimate address of my statements. It only serves to illustrate that you are (a) incapable of doing so directly, (b) found that doing so directly would be too cumbersome, due perhaps to laziness, or (c) are unworthy of being taken seriously, preferring comedy to serious discussion.

His post also illustrates how truth can be masked by hysterical falsities, intending to make the gullible reader dismiss any truth contained in the statement outright and altogether.

Example 1: Lenin and Stalin were Jews.

Truth: Stalin was not a Jew, but Lenin was. Furthermore Karl Marx was a Jew. Even further, some 450 of 500 high officials of the early communist government were Jews, according to a book published around that time entitled The Last Days of the Romanoffs, published in 1920 by a Russian correspondent to the London Times. As I said earlier, according to my best recollection, some less than 1% of the Russian population at that time were Jews.

Example 2: Freud was a Jew and invented sexual promiscuity.

Truth: Now, it is plainly obvious that Freud did not invent sexual promiscuity, but he was a Jew. And he was intensely atheistic.

“Religion, Freud believed, was an expression of underlying psychological neuroses and distress. At various points in his writings, he suggested that religion was an attempt to control the Oedipal complex, a means of giving structure to social groups, wish fulfillment, an infantile delusion, and an attempt to control the outside world.”

source: psychology.about.com/od/sigmundfreud/p/freud_religion.htm

Freudian psychology, according to Fulton J. Sheen in a Time article from Aug. 04, 1947, is “bootleg philosophy.”

It is important to understand why this statement was made about the man’s work, but no one will ever be persuaded to do so with comedians like “chosen people” making light of the whole thing.

I could go on, addressing each hysterical statement made in the tirade individually, but such an exercise would be almost as pointless as the original tirade itself. Suffice it to say that I am disappointed that posts of that kind pass for intelligent discussion around here.

Hi,

I don’t mean to distract from the points that people are trying to make, or to pour gasoline on the flames, but I would like some clarification.

Since “Jewish” is a religion and not a nationality, how can Freud be a Jew and also an atheist? It would seem that there is a contradiction there.

 

[HashemEchad]

Hi,

I don’t mean to distract from the points that people are trying to make, or to pour gasoline on the flames, but I would like some clarification.

Since “Jewish” is a religion and not a nationality, how can Freud be a Jew and also an atheist? It would seem that there is a contradiction there.

Jews are a religio-nation; that is, an ethnic group that has its own religion as well.

Not a race, not a religion only, but a religio-nation.

 

[MelanieAnne]

Jews are a religio-nation; that is, an ethnic group that has its own religion as well.

Not a race, not a religion only, but a religio-nation.

Well OK, but people can also convert. When they convert, having once been Buddhist or Christian, or whatever, aren’t they still Jews?

And then there are the people that were once Jewish who convert to other religions. I have heard people who were born Jewish speaking about their conversion to Catholicism on EWTN. Are they still Jews? Because they’re Catholics, so I don’t see how they can still be Jewish.

I know that if your Mother is Jewish, then you are considered to be Jewish. And lately I know some are expanding that to include Jewish Fathers too. But is it once a Jew, always a Jew, even if you’re Catholic now?

 

[Blackbog]

Actually, “Jew” as I use it is an ethnic identifier. I am not referring to someone’s adherence to Judaism, at least in the above context, when I refer to them as a Jew. Since they themselves trace their lineage to Abraham, it is ridiculous to assert that they are not a distinguishable people. Furthermore, there are plenty of atheist and other Jews who still identify as ethnic Jews.

I hope this addresses your question.

 

[HashemEchad]

Well OK, but people can also convert. When they convert, having once been Buddhist or Christian, or whatever, aren’t they still Jews?

And then there are the people that were once Jewish who convert to other religions. I have heard people who were born Jewish speaking about their conversion to Catholicism on EWTN. Are they still Jews? Because they’re Catholics, so I don’t see how they can still be Jewish.

I know that if your Mother is Jewish, then you are considered to be Jewish. And lately I know some are expanding that to include Jewish Fathers too. But is it once a Jew, always a Jew, even if you’re Catholic now?

Judaism looks at it as Catholicism does: you know the saying, ‘Once a Catholic, always a Catholic’?

Well, we say the same thing: “Once a Jew, always a Jew”. As with Catholicism, you can be excommunicated from Judaism too, but you can always return.

But a Jew who apostasizes is like a baseball player who has been disqualified for something. He remains a baseball player, but cannot play for the time being.

Or, like a priest who has been defrocked. He remains a priest (because the RCC teaches along the lines of, “thou art a priest forever, according to the order of Melchizedek”), but he cannot hear confessions or offer Mass.

 

[chosen_people]

Actually, “Jew” as I use it is an ethnic identifier. I am not referring to someone’s adherence to Judaism, at least in the above context, when I refer to them as a Jew. Since they themselves trace their lineage to Abraham, it is ridiculous to assert that they are not a distinguishable people. Furthermore, there are plenty of atheist and other Jews who still identify as ethnic Jews.

I hope this addresses your question.

Well actually Lenin did have a maternal grandfather which would have been sufficient to be Jewish in Nazi Germany and apparently satisfies your definition of a Jew. Just for the record, I find nothing about you or your antisemitism in the least amusing.

 

[Blackbog]

Well actually Lenin did have a maternal grandfather which would have been sufficient to be Jewish in Nazi Germany and apparently satisfies your definition of a Jew. Just for the record, I find nothing about you or your antisemitism in the least amusing.

There’s that word again, “antisemitism.” Do you people see how this word is being abused in order to stir up emotion and silence the rational mind?