A priest is the only one who can excorcise demons from a human body

[Syele]

So when a Pentacostal exhibits glossolalia (real or feigned), what does the Baptist think is happening?

Curious,
Paul

They think it’s all faked. I once talked to a Southern Baptist pastor cause God had spoken to me audibly. Rather than tell me to do as God said (to help others in a certian place) the pastor reffered me to a psychiatrist.

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

I saw a documentary about excorcism and the Protestants were contacting priests to help them excorcise demons from humans. Protestant pastors realize they do not have the power to actually do this. The Catholic priest is the only one. So why then if power was given to our priests as stated in the Bible such authority, why do non-Catholics STILL not believe in the Catholic chuch?

In Rome there is a class at the Vatican that priests take for excorcism now. I love the priests, they are the umbilical cord to God.

It’s not about authority or the power of the priesthood. When protestant ministers ask for help from Catholic priests it is because the priests have training, whereas there is no training in most seminaries that are Baptist, Methodist, etc.

Peace…

MW

 

[ralphinal]

It’s not about authority or the power of the priesthood. When protestant ministers ask for help from Catholic priests it is because the priests have training, whereas there is no training in most seminaries that are Baptist, Methodist, etc.

Peace…

MW

I agree. My question is why not?

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

There are a few cases where Priests were called upon. Here

Then the Exorcism of Nicola Aubrey, the devil even mocked an attempt to remove him with hymns.

Probably depends on how strong the demonic influence is within the possessed person, but for the hardened cases it seems a Catholic Exorcism is the only way to remove Satan and his cohorts. (Prayer and fasting etc; as Jesus said)

There are classes of demons just as there are classes of angels (or hiearchies if you prefer). So, yes, some demons are easier to exorcise than others. Some Satanists are born with certain demons that are attached through rituals. They are the hardest.

The host has to verbally renounce those demons and vow to not let them enter again. However, from my experience, if an adult has had a demon or demons for their whole life and you exorcise them, it is too “quiet” inside and the host will sometimes invite them back in.

Peace…

MW

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

I my self and a pentacostal, I have spoken in tounges and have been baptisted with the holy spirit. I have enounters direct spiritual attacks on my self and have, through the power of jesus christ ALONE, drove them out of my room. I have never excorsied someone, that requires a level of spiritual maturity have not attained. But i do believe that all christians have the power to drive demons, but many do not know how to handle them. Ill tell you from personally experience that if you are not absolutly sure in your convictions and faithfull that God has forgivin you of all your sins, the demon or devil will use it against you. It will mess with you mind and cause a fear that words cannot explain. It requires maturity and experience to do so.

Most Christians don’t know how to handle them, correct. Fear and lack of faith are the biggest obstacles. You have to be confident in yourself, knowing you are protected by God, and ask angels, such as Michael and Raphael to help.

If you let fear get the best of you the demon will have his/her way. They thrive on belittling people, tell them they can’t do it, etc. It’s best to not listen to anything they say, remain calm and confident and finish the process.

Peace…

MW

 

[mercygate]

So when a Pentacostal exhibits glossolalia (real or feigned), what does the Baptist think is happening?

Curious,
Paul

Maybe our Burning4Christ can help us here. I believe Baptists (and others) think it might even be demonic, or at least it is proscribed by Paul’s warrant. At best, they might think it useless.

A Catholic Charismatic Priest acquaintance of mine, who had great admiration for Jerry Falwell’s evangelical zeal, mentioned that Jerry (a Southern Baptist) would never allow a tongue-speaker to preach in his church.

 

[Righteousone]

There are a few cases where Priests were called upon. Here

Then the Exorcism of Nicola Aubrey, the devil even mocked an attempt to remove him with hymns.

Probably depends on how strong the demonic influence is within the possessed person, but for the hardened cases it seems a Catholic Exorcism is the only way to remove Satan and his cohorts. (Prayer and fasting etc; as Jesus said)

Yes Snowfly. I wouldn’t believe a Baptist crying out in the name of Jesus, nor would I believe a Muslim could do so. Especially a Muslim, which would really be a joke to me…sorry but that’s the way it is.

 

[Righteousone]

They think it’s all faked. I once talked to a Southern Baptist pastor cause God had spoken to me audibly. Rather than tell me to do as God said (to help others in a certian place) the pastor reffered me to a psychiatrist.

Then you need to research another faith (Catholic perhaps?) Because God spoke audibly to me also, and my priest told me it is a gift. People feel God does not speak to them but in their hearts. In my case, He really did. I couldn’t believe it…

 

[Valke2]

Valke,
I would ask what the Jewish faith teaches on possession, but I know better. How about what are the various opinions on posession held by Jewish Scholars?

That is a question outside my immediate area of knowledge. I do not that demonic possession was very often ascribed to a variety of medical conditions that people suffered. And that as late as the 11th and 12th centuries, there was a strong belief that one didn’t walk outside on night on specific days because demons were believed to be out an about on Tuesdays (for example). It was believed that rabbis were more difficult to possess (and it was also believed that demons might try harder to possess them).

There are some stories in Talmud about Rabbis who banished demonds and casting out demons as Jesus is said to have done was something that was not unheard of at the time. A lot of our traditions regarding what to do when one is sick or dying are rooted in our fear of demons. There’s even a prayer that the sick say in which they change their name so as to confuse the angel of death.

I’m just spitballing here because I don’t really no what the rabbis taught/teach on possession. But now that you caught my attention, I guess I’m going to find out.

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

I agree. My question is why not?

LOL, good question. Many reasons, I think. Fear. It’s the fear of the unknown. Also, most ministers are teachers and leaders to their congregations. They don’t see their members going through this (at least they think) and don’t see the need to perform them. How many members would go to their pastor and tell them they think they are possessed?

The pastor will likely dismiss it and refer them to a mental health person or to Catholics. They don’t believe it in many cases and they don’t like it even if it were true. It’s not a pleasant experience and sometimes can take years to successfully remove demons.

Lastly, many pastors think only non-Christians can be possessed and really don’t want to get into that ministry as again, they see their role as a teacher and leader of spiritual growth for their congregation who pays their salary . Even if they did want to, there is no systematic training to go to.

It’s sad really, but that’s the reality of it.

I thank God for priests who perform them and help those who are suffering. I really do. They are doing the world and God a great service.

Peace…

MW

 

[Valke2]

Jewish folklore and Kabbalah teachings tell of a malevolent spirit called a dybbuk. This spirit is the soul of a dead person that has come back to address unfinished business, and it inhabits the body of a living person in order to carry out its goals. The dybbuk can be expelled through a rite of exorcism and leaves the body through the toe.

Thus endith the jewish wisdom on demonic possession.

 

[Righteousone]

Jewish folklore and Kabbalah teachings tell of a malevolent spirit called a dybbuk. This spirit is the soul of a dead person that has come back to address unfinished business, and it inhabits the body of a living person in order to carry out its goals. The dybbuk can be expelled through a rite of exorcism and leaves the body through the toe.

Thus endith the jewish wisdom on demonic possession.

Sounds more to me like a science fiction movie…:whacky:

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

Jewish folklore and Kabbalah teachings tell of a malevolent spirit called a dybbuk. This spirit is the soul of a dead person that has come back to address unfinished business, and it inhabits the body of a living person in order to carry out its goals. The dybbuk can be expelled through a rite of exorcism and leaves the body through the toe.

Thus endith the jewish wisdom on demonic possession.

Very interesting, Valke.

I would call these “earthbound spirits”. They are the souls of deceased people that have not crossed over and do the things you have said.

I realize you are simply offering the information, but my approach to them is not to exorcise them. I help them see their need to move on and they go willingly. If they don’t, I ask their spirit guides and Michael the Archangel to escort them.

Most of these dybbuk are confused and need help. If one exorcises them, they will often still remain earthbound and will just attach to someone else.

I don’t say this as a critique of the Jewish faith (which is a profound and awesome faith) in general. I just use a different method to achieve a better outcome, in my opinion.

Peace…

MW

 

[Valke2]

YOu’re not going to ruffle my feathers on this subject. My personal belief is that Jewish tradition on demons is more superstitution than doctrine. It was quite humbling to me when I read aobut the practices of Jews during the 12th century CE. They prayed to the One God, but attributed a variety of misfortunes to a variety of supernatural entities that apparently had power independent of God.

 

[mercygate]

YOu’re not going to ruffle my feathers on this subject. My personal belief is that Jewish tradition on demons is more superstitution than doctrine. It was quite humbling to me when I read aobut the practices of Jews during the 12th century CE. They prayed to the One God, but attributed a variety of misfortunes to a variety of supernatural entities that apparently had power independent of God.

You have pointedly hit one of the difficulties in understanding this stuff today. A LOT of our lore, while doubtless grounded in truth, has become jumbled up with a LOT of superstition and it takes a LOT of discernment to sort the wheat from the chaff.

One of the things Amorth’s book opened my eyes to was that Jesus frequently cured exactly the same symptoms, in some cases by “healing,” while in others by “casting out demons.”

Off topic query: Valke2, are you familiar with *The Pasta Factory *on Palisade Ave. in Teaneck? GREAT Kosher restaurant (dairy). Come to think of it, if you’re not Kosher, why would you be?

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

YOu’re not going to ruffle my feathers on this subject. My personal belief is that Jewish tradition on demons is more superstitution than doctrine. It was quite humbling to me when I read aobut the practices of Jews during the 12th century CE. They prayed to the One God, but attributed a variety of misfortunes to a variety of supernatural entities that apparently had power independent of God.

I’m glad you are not ruffled. It was an observation of my experience. What’s interesting is that that Jewish belief isn’t that much different than modern beliefs about the subject, except for in Christianity.

It seems that some Kabbala beliefs are similar to other mystical faiths in their approach to such things. There’s the teaching I found (I can’t give you the source at the time of this post) that at night when the body is sleeping that the spirit travels outside the body, but is attached by a silver chord. That’s also a prevalent belief in non-mainstream mystical faiths.

Sorry, righteousone, for getting off topic. I thought I would share this with Valke.

Peace…

MW

 

[DJgang]

MW - Interesting Blog!

What happened to your friend? I could not find the rest of the story.

Anyway, I, too, have read Fr. Amorth’s books. Very good. But basically, he says, the exorcism of demons and deliverance from evil influences also lie in the person’s faith. Timing of deliverance has more to do with their faith and God’s timing in it all.

 

[mercygate]

I my self and a pentacostal, I have spoken in tounges and have been baptisted with the holy spirit. I have enounters direct spiritual attacks on my self and have, through the power of jesus christ ALONE, drove them out of my room. I have never excorsied someone, that requires a level of spiritual maturity have not attained. But i do believe that all christians have the power to drive demons, but many do not know how to handle them. Ill tell you from personally experience that if you are not absolutly sure in your convictions and faithfull that God has forgivin you of all your sins, the demon or devil will use it against you. It will mess with you mind and cause a fear that words cannot explain. It requires maturity and experience to do so.

Burning, are you familiar with Fr. Amorth’s book, An Exorcist Tells His Story?

 

[Syele]

Then you need to research another faith (Catholic perhaps?) Because God spoke audibly to me also, and my priest told me it is a gift. People feel God does not speak to them but in their hearts. In my case, He really did. I couldn’t believe it…

I’m not Baptist. My own church would not have responded that way. My mistake was, that I wanted someone to pray with me after, so I went to the nearest church that was open at that hour. Just a bad choice of where to go to have someone pray with me.

I was really surprised too. I was driving at the time… I think I just wanted some reasssurance that I WASN’t crazy and a bit of prayer to help me make the right choice. Sending me to a doctor wasn’t what I needed LOL.

 

[ralphinal]

Valke, thanks for the info.

We should point out that there is a difference between being possessed and having a mental/emotional problem. There are those who claim that Jesus only treated mental problems and that there are no such things as possessed people.

I think that some denomination who deny the metaphysical have issues with this. It is almost like they like the faith of the printed word, but they are threatened by the living, moving kind. I am not sure why. It seems like many who deny possessions also deny miracles after the apostles or the Charismatic Gifts of the Holy Spirit.