A proposal for the "holy, Holy Holy" at Mass

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I propose that everyone motivated to participate should raise both arms in the air during the entire “Holy Holy Holy … Hosannah in the highest”

Although saying or singing the words is the primary way to participate in that part of the Mass, I think a bodily gesture during these “holy” words is a great way to show assent to the words that are spoken. First, it echoes the previous words of “life your hearts to the Lord). Second, those words are not just a filler of prayer, they’re an enormous affirmation of faith,hope, and love” “Hosannah” – “God saves” – what a climactic expression in the Mass. Third, more primitively, our outstretched hands and arms represent the palm branches that were used to acclaim Jesus entry into Jerusalem.

Anybody with me?
 
Not me. We have enough people doing the hand jive as it is, such as during the reply “And with your Spirit”.
 
Nor me. We are not at a football match. Nor a pop concert. I think we are meant to feel awe at that moment, not triumphalism.

Your proposal would make more sense for during the Gloria.
 
I prefer to put my hands together in prayer during the Sanctus and Agnus Dei.
 
Interesting proposal, but I think it would make playing the organ for the “Sanctus” just a bit too, um… impossible. 😛
 
It’s Mass, not a pep rally. I’ll keep my hands on my missal, thanks.
 
An interesting proposal. You wrote of the possible benefits, but one should also consider whether it does any harm, or detracts in any way from the liturgy. This is a real concern.

I can think of other sorts of gatherings, involving teams or clubs, for example, where uniform gestures seem forced and can be disconcerting to outsiders (and maybe to some members as well). For example, one group welcomes visitors or new members in the following manner. The visitor states his name: “I’m Beryllos.” Then everyone says, all together and too loudly, “HI, BERYLLOS!” as they wave, all together, with a single circular movement of the hand. They feel bonding; I feel uncomfortable.

So yeah, keep those ideas coming, but weigh each one carefully.
 
While your intent and the sentiment behind your proposed idea seems to come from a beautiful and heartfelt desire to fully and outwardly express your faith, hope, and love for God, I prefer to avoid implementing any laity-devised gestures that have not been given to us by the Church by being spelled out in the GIRM.

Laity-devised gestures that are improvised or not standard throughout the universal Church can generate confusion among people who are not familiar with the traditions of a particular parish. We should seek to adhere to the rubrics for the Mass given to us by the Church to help provide a universal Mass experience that can be easily be participated in by any Catholic in any church.

Another concern is that when we try to customize or add to the Mass, it can inadvertently cause a distraction for the congregation, becoming a moment of confusion, anxiety, embarrassment, resentment, etc… that serves to detract from the mass instead of enhance it as was originally intended.

Often times when I attend mass at an unfamiliar parish, I am faced with distractions because of things that have been added by the laity. For example, at some parishes, the Our Father is prayed without holding hands, at some, only families join hands, at others people join hands with those in their pew, and yet at others the parishioners fill the aisles to form a “human chain” or “human snake” weaving throughout the church. I assume that the intent behind this hand holding is to express unity and fellowship in their prayer to the Father, yet the logistics of it can inadvertently shift the focus away from the sacrifice of the Mass.

Another example is when we had a visiting priest to our parish, he stopped during the Sursum Corda because many people did not raise their hands when they said “we lift them up to the Lord”. He told the congregation that we should all be smiling with joy and lifting our hands as high as we could and shouting the words as loudly as we can. He then proceeded to have the congregation repeat the action until he thought it sufficiently excited. It felt uncomfortably pep rally-ish. Some parishioners were chuckling afterwards, some seemed visibly uncomfortable, while others seemed rather angry at the whole situation. While the intent of the priest in this situation was to have the laity fully present and participating, he broke the universal nature of their participation and served as a catalyst for confusion and divisive emotions among the parishioners, all because he wanted to implement a gesture that is not spelled out in the GIRM as something the laity should be doing.

Again, the intent behind adding gestures to outwardly express peoples’ emotional and spiritual participation comes from a genuinely heartfelt place, the reality of their implementation without the guidance of the Church often times yields undesirable results and creates a new situation or issue for the Church to have to deal with in the future.

Ultimately, if the Church thinks this idea (or any idea) is appropriate, not a distraction, and would add something necessary to the faithful’s participation at the mass, then they will let us know through a revision to the instructions provided to us for the Mass.
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I propose that everyone motivated to participate should raise both arms in the air during the entire “Holy Holy Holy … Hosannah in the highest”

Although saying or singing the words is the primary way to participate in that part of the Mass, I think a bodily gesture during these “holy” words is a great way to show assent to the words that are spoken. First, it echoes the previous words of “life your hearts to the Lord). Second, those words are not just a filler of prayer, they’re an enormous affirmation of faith,hope, and love” “Hosannah” – “God saves” – what a climactic expression in the Mass. Third, more primitively, our outstretched hands and arms represent the palm branches that were used to acclaim Jesus entry into Jerusalem.

Anybody with me?
Somewhere, a traditionalist just fell down dead.
 
I’m fairly certain that the OP meant this as a joke/troll thread, but you never know. Either way, I approve of this thread as it provided me a good laugh here at lunch time (but I won’t be raising my hands during the “Holy, Holy, Holy” :p)
 
My priest spoke on the topic of the Sanctus a while ago. He said it was appropriate to bow at the words in respect to the holiness and majesty of God, or words to that effect. Raising your hands in the air really makes no sense.If you are really keen to do that, the Sursum Corda would probably be a better place - I’ve seen that done.
 
Somewhere, a traditionalist just fell down dead.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

OP, remember when the priest says: Lift Up Your Hearts!

Yeah. THAT. We do this in our hearts.
We rejoice within our spirit.

It’s an ancient prayer…let’s not mess with it. 😉
 
Count me out. Others have amply stated the reason why. I agree with all of them.
 
I prefer not to raise my hands during this part of the Mass or any part. I know many people raise their hands during the Gloria when it is sung. I prefer to just remain prayerful and reverent. To be honest, I don’t even like shaking hands during the greeting of peace.
 
I propose that everyone motivated to participate should raise both arms in the air during the entire “Holy Holy Holy … Hosannah in the highest”

Although saying or singing the words is the primary way to participate in that part of the Mass, I think a bodily gesture during these “holy” words is a great way to show assent to the words that are spoken. First, it echoes the previous words of “life your hearts to the Lord). Second, those words are not just a filler of prayer, they’re an enormous affirmation of faith,hope, and love” “Hosannah” – “God saves” – what a climactic expression in the Mass. Third, more primitively, our outstretched hands and arms represent the palm branches that were used to acclaim Jesus entry into Jerusalem.

Anybody with me?
It’s not for me, but it sounds like you should do it once. It will feel good, and I’m sure God appreciates your enthusiasm.

I’m sure we’ve all seen some unorthodox gestures at Mass. Nobody pays to much attention to it. It used to be just the mentally unstable folks, but now it seems to be every type.

Have you done it before? If so, how did it feel?
 
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