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TheGarg
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you are right, but let me point that i didn’t become this brutally honest till after my divorce. Nice didn’t get me anywhereYou must be divorced!
So from no on, the TRUTH at all costs!
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So from no on, the TRUTH at all costs!
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BayCityRickL
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It’s tough to jump into this thread within a thread, but it’s an interesting subject.
There’s something missing in this discussion about lying.
The issue has some resolution in case of U.S. military being prisoners of war. They can and do make statements under duress and these are not self-incriminating statements. I guess that’s the point.
Statements made under life-threatening duress are simply not self-incriminating.
does anybody watch the History Channel? There are many stories. Most people will say “you do what you have to, to survive.”
When you testify in court, there is no such immunity. You are compelled under the penalties for perjury to tell the truth.
What about the car salesman? Read the fine print when you buy a car. The fine print says that all verbal statements by the salesman are void and only the written terms are contractual.
The saleslady tells the dowdy matron “you look good in that” or “that looks good on you.” It’s biased testimony.
I just thought of a whole new thread about honesty in funerals. Bye.
There’s something missing in this discussion about lying.
The issue has some resolution in case of U.S. military being prisoners of war. They can and do make statements under duress and these are not self-incriminating statements. I guess that’s the point.
Statements made under life-threatening duress are simply not self-incriminating.
does anybody watch the History Channel? There are many stories. Most people will say “you do what you have to, to survive.”
When you testify in court, there is no such immunity. You are compelled under the penalties for perjury to tell the truth.
What about the car salesman? Read the fine print when you buy a car. The fine print says that all verbal statements by the salesman are void and only the written terms are contractual.
The saleslady tells the dowdy matron “you look good in that” or “that looks good on you.” It’s biased testimony.
I just thought of a whole new thread about honesty in funerals. Bye.
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Maccabees
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Well let me being up another thing since you can this thing to infinity how about our countries hostages which are forced to go on tv and testify that the United States government is evil, hates Islam and a host of other lies. These things are told by hostages to just stay alive. They are under duress does our Pharisee Gottle condemn these poor people to hell because they are trying to save thier hide and not get further abused by these monsters.
Its known that in Vietnam and in the Gulf war that the POW’s were forced to lie about their governement or suffer death or further abuse.
Now is this a sin? I don’t think so this is under duress and on is seeking to preserve one own’s life.
OF course if you take Gottle’s position a lie cannot be told absolutely and to be consistent you can’t tell a lie to preserve the life of another or yourself.
Man that is some Pharisee interpretation of the 10 commandments Gottle.
Its known that in Vietnam and in the Gulf war that the POW’s were forced to lie about their governement or suffer death or further abuse.
Now is this a sin? I don’t think so this is under duress and on is seeking to preserve one own’s life.
OF course if you take Gottle’s position a lie cannot be told absolutely and to be consistent you can’t tell a lie to preserve the life of another or yourself.
Man that is some Pharisee interpretation of the 10 commandments Gottle.
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