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RonTheNewJew
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As I read through some of the comments about “the Protestant view of Mary the Mother of God,” I was astounded by the real lack of understanding of what it is that, as one commenter put it, “offends Protestants.”
First, in the mainstream Protestant view, Mary, who up to the point of being told of God’s plan for her, and because of the birth of a child, the male seed of which was implanted within her by God the Father and the Son (who pre-existed Mary by zillions of eons to the point of eternity), all people of all ages, before Mary and afterward, would receive the real HOPE of Salvation. Up to the point of God’s communication with her, Mary was no different than her contemporaries.
I agree that God chose her. But for reasons that belong only to Him. We humans cannot impose our view of why God chose her. That is to put ourselves in the place of God, Himself. That is to idolize ourselves, and thereby to break God’s Commandment, “Thou shalt NOT have any other gods before (in the place of, or more honored than) Me or make any graven image to them, nor bow down to them or worship them.” Those are the words found in the actual author of Torah, Moses, himself. He was an Israelite. Not a Catholic, nor did he even consider himself a Christian. He believed in the first coming of a Messiah, to give Salvation to Israel from her SINS (the breaking of the Ten Commandments)
One commenter said that “the Bible is a Catholic book.” That is simply historical heresy.
The Bible was written by non other than ethnic Jews, who, in more or less varied but faithful to the written Torah in most things, never called themselves “Catholic(s).”
Mary was a Jewish woman. She, like Joseph, her betrothed, was Torah observant, as was the Child, Yeshua, taught to be until He recognized His real role in having given the Torah to Moses, along with God the Father at Mt Sinai.
Mary observed what the Catholic Church, in 1893, said was biblical, the what many unread Christians today call, “the Jewish Sabbath.” She observed, along with Joseph and Jesus and His brothers, the annual, what many unread Christians today call, “Jewish” Festivals and holy convocations every year. What she eventually came to realize was that the Child she had given birth to, gave her ancestors the Law and the Prophets, which the 1893 Catholic document says were set up by God, Himself. Jesus said, “I and My Father are One.” It was Jesus’ finger that Moses saw write the Ten Commandments on the tabets of stone. It was Jesus’ pre-incarnate voice that Moses heard dictate to Moses the Laws, Statutes and Judgements, which includes the annual holy days and periods of time for worship and study of God’s Laws, and His Plan of Salvation.
Jesus said to the Samaritan woman at the well, “For, verily I say unto thee, woman, salvation is of the Jews.” He did not say, “Salvation is of the Catholic Church.” The real historical fact is that, even though there was a Bishop of Rome within the first 100 to 125 years after Christ, there were two other Bishops, one in Alexandria, Egypt, and another in Antioch. They each controlled a segment of what was then the Christian fellowship (the Church.
Polycarp kept the Pesach, (Passover Seder and days of unleavened bread, having been taught to do so by John, the Revelator (John who wrote the book of the Revelation of Christ). Polycarp kept it, and all the other “traditions” as the Apostle Paul called the annual holy days and times, in the times based on the lunar calendar because the pre-incarnate Christ had given them in their appointed times to Moses as part of the Laws, Statutes and Judgements contained in the written Torah, the first five books of the “Jewish” bood, the Bible.
Mary, who was a child of the Child she gave the human side of Christ’s equation for Salvation to and gave birth to, observed ALL of the sacred religious calendar that the only God ever gave to anyone. She was blessed by God, Father and Son, to give birth to the incarnate Christ. She could not do it, herself. God did it for her. She was the willing participant with God the Father and Son, in carrying out their Plan of Salvation to deliver us from death, which is the penalty for sin. He, who provided the very life that became Mary, commanded His own death because He had, and has, control over all of life in the universe. Mary was, like all others who observed His days and ways, will hopefully as is the case with all of us humans, be saved when He returns to gather His little flock
The use of the word, “Catholic” came nearly 1,000 years after Christ. Up to that time, it was broadly known as "the Patriarchate of Rome. There were a few who used the term Catholic in the period of the time when Mohammed put together his religion based on Christianity, Judaism, and some pagan conceptions that pre-existed the 6th century after Christ. But it was not the common term used.
Jesus, our High Priest in Heaven, honored His mother, Mary. There were a couple of recorded events in which Jesus (Yeshua) took an opposite view to the ones that Mary took on things related to family matters. She was human. He, when His brothers came to him to ask Him to do His normal tasks as the youngest brother, said He had more important matters to attend to. They were human. So was Jesus. But by that time He realized that He was, as He is today, also Divine. He had control over life and death. Mary never did.
We cannot put ourselves in the -place of God in any way, shape or form. That is the main reason that Protestantism exists. it’s Reformation is not over yet. It still has a long way to go to get back to what the 1893 Council said was the “biblical religion.” (Judaism without the animal sacrifices and Temple services, all of which are in Heaven now where Christ is.
First, in the mainstream Protestant view, Mary, who up to the point of being told of God’s plan for her, and because of the birth of a child, the male seed of which was implanted within her by God the Father and the Son (who pre-existed Mary by zillions of eons to the point of eternity), all people of all ages, before Mary and afterward, would receive the real HOPE of Salvation. Up to the point of God’s communication with her, Mary was no different than her contemporaries.
I agree that God chose her. But for reasons that belong only to Him. We humans cannot impose our view of why God chose her. That is to put ourselves in the place of God, Himself. That is to idolize ourselves, and thereby to break God’s Commandment, “Thou shalt NOT have any other gods before (in the place of, or more honored than) Me or make any graven image to them, nor bow down to them or worship them.” Those are the words found in the actual author of Torah, Moses, himself. He was an Israelite. Not a Catholic, nor did he even consider himself a Christian. He believed in the first coming of a Messiah, to give Salvation to Israel from her SINS (the breaking of the Ten Commandments)
One commenter said that “the Bible is a Catholic book.” That is simply historical heresy.
The Bible was written by non other than ethnic Jews, who, in more or less varied but faithful to the written Torah in most things, never called themselves “Catholic(s).”
Mary was a Jewish woman. She, like Joseph, her betrothed, was Torah observant, as was the Child, Yeshua, taught to be until He recognized His real role in having given the Torah to Moses, along with God the Father at Mt Sinai.
Mary observed what the Catholic Church, in 1893, said was biblical, the what many unread Christians today call, “the Jewish Sabbath.” She observed, along with Joseph and Jesus and His brothers, the annual, what many unread Christians today call, “Jewish” Festivals and holy convocations every year. What she eventually came to realize was that the Child she had given birth to, gave her ancestors the Law and the Prophets, which the 1893 Catholic document says were set up by God, Himself. Jesus said, “I and My Father are One.” It was Jesus’ finger that Moses saw write the Ten Commandments on the tabets of stone. It was Jesus’ pre-incarnate voice that Moses heard dictate to Moses the Laws, Statutes and Judgements, which includes the annual holy days and periods of time for worship and study of God’s Laws, and His Plan of Salvation.
Jesus said to the Samaritan woman at the well, “For, verily I say unto thee, woman, salvation is of the Jews.” He did not say, “Salvation is of the Catholic Church.” The real historical fact is that, even though there was a Bishop of Rome within the first 100 to 125 years after Christ, there were two other Bishops, one in Alexandria, Egypt, and another in Antioch. They each controlled a segment of what was then the Christian fellowship (the Church.
Polycarp kept the Pesach, (Passover Seder and days of unleavened bread, having been taught to do so by John, the Revelator (John who wrote the book of the Revelation of Christ). Polycarp kept it, and all the other “traditions” as the Apostle Paul called the annual holy days and times, in the times based on the lunar calendar because the pre-incarnate Christ had given them in their appointed times to Moses as part of the Laws, Statutes and Judgements contained in the written Torah, the first five books of the “Jewish” bood, the Bible.
Mary, who was a child of the Child she gave the human side of Christ’s equation for Salvation to and gave birth to, observed ALL of the sacred religious calendar that the only God ever gave to anyone. She was blessed by God, Father and Son, to give birth to the incarnate Christ. She could not do it, herself. God did it for her. She was the willing participant with God the Father and Son, in carrying out their Plan of Salvation to deliver us from death, which is the penalty for sin. He, who provided the very life that became Mary, commanded His own death because He had, and has, control over all of life in the universe. Mary was, like all others who observed His days and ways, will hopefully as is the case with all of us humans, be saved when He returns to gather His little flock
The use of the word, “Catholic” came nearly 1,000 years after Christ. Up to that time, it was broadly known as "the Patriarchate of Rome. There were a few who used the term Catholic in the period of the time when Mohammed put together his religion based on Christianity, Judaism, and some pagan conceptions that pre-existed the 6th century after Christ. But it was not the common term used.
Jesus, our High Priest in Heaven, honored His mother, Mary. There were a couple of recorded events in which Jesus (Yeshua) took an opposite view to the ones that Mary took on things related to family matters. She was human. He, when His brothers came to him to ask Him to do His normal tasks as the youngest brother, said He had more important matters to attend to. They were human. So was Jesus. But by that time He realized that He was, as He is today, also Divine. He had control over life and death. Mary never did.
We cannot put ourselves in the -place of God in any way, shape or form. That is the main reason that Protestantism exists. it’s Reformation is not over yet. It still has a long way to go to get back to what the 1893 Council said was the “biblical religion.” (Judaism without the animal sacrifices and Temple services, all of which are in Heaven now where Christ is.
but she gave birth to our LORD & she is with him now saying what she said here( WHATEVER HE TELLS YOU TO DO DO IT) HE IS THE KING JESUS HE PAID THE PRICE THAT WE MAY ALL GO TO HEAVENhe shed his BLOOD
