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When celebrating the memorial of a saint, which psalms are used? For example, today is the memorial of St. Frances Cabrini, so I used the common for holy women. The commons direct us to use the psalms from Sunday of week I, but the guide seems to direct the use of the proper psalms for this week. And also for Evening prayer, does one use the psalms found in the commons or for the week? I hope some of that made sense! Thanks and God bless!
 
RyanML said:
When celebrating the memorial of a saint, which psalms are used? For example, today is the memorial of St. Frances Cabrini, so I used the common for holy women.
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With memorials, you use the proper psalms of the day and week you are in.
 
japhy said:
If it were a feast, then you would use Sunday I; but since it is a memorial, you use the propers of the day.
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As far as Evening Prayer goes, the commons have their own psalms, so do we still use the psalms for the day? Sorry if that’s redundant.
 
RyanML said:
As far as Evening Prayer goes, the commons have their own psalms, so do we still use the psalms for the day? Sorry if that’s redundant.
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I believe that’s only if it’s a feast. For memorials, the psalms are always from the propers; you use the memorial’s antiphons with the psalms from the proper.

Update: The GILH says:
  1. In the office of readings, at morning prayer, and at evening prayer:
a. the psalms and their antiphons are taken from the current week and day, unless there are proper antiphons or proper psalms, which is indicated as the case occurs;

b. the antiphon at the invitatory, the hymn, the short reading, the antiphons at the Canticles of Zechariah and of Mary, and the intercessions must be those of the saint if these are given in the proper; otherwise, they are taken either from the common or from the current week and day;

c. the concluding prayer from the office of the saint is to be said;

d. in the office of readings, the Scripture reading with its responsory is from the current cycle. The second reading is about the saint, with a proper responsory or one taken from the common; if there is no proper reading, the patristic reading for the day is used. The Te Deum is not said.
In other words, for memorials of saints, you use whatever is given in the proper for that saint, but not what is given in the common of the saint.
 
japhy said:
I believe that’s only if it’s a feast. For memorials, the psalms are always from the propers; you use the memorial’s antiphons with the psalms from the proper.

Update: The GILH says:
  1. In the office of readings, at morning prayer, and at evening prayer:
a. the psalms and their antiphons are taken from the current week and day, unless there are proper antiphons or proper psalms, which is indicated as the case occurs;

b. the antiphon at the invitatory, the hymn, the short reading, the antiphons at the Canticles of Zechariah and of Mary, and the intercessions must be those of the saint if these are given in the proper; otherwise, they are taken either from the common or from the current week and day;

c. the concluding prayer from the office of the saint is to be said;

d. in the office of readings, the Scripture reading with its responsory is from the current cycle. The second reading is about the saint, with a proper responsory or one taken from the common; if there is no proper reading, the patristic reading for the day is used. The Te Deum is not said.
In other words, for memorials of saints, you use whatever is given in the proper for that saint, but not what is given in the common of the saint.
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Okay, I believe that clears everything up for me. Thanks! 🙂
 
japhy said:
I believe that’s only if it’s a feast. For memorials, the psalms are always from the propers; you use the memorial’s antiphons with the psalms from the proper.
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When there are Proper antiphons for a memorial, one is usually directed to use the festal psalms * There are a few memorials of this kind in the calendar - St. Martin of Tours, a couple of days back, is the most recent example.
  • psalms from the Common for Evening Prayer or from Sunday Week I for Morning Prayer (unless Proper psalms are given).
The memorials on the General Calendar using festal psalms are:

St. Agnes- Jan 21
St. Mary Magdalen-July 22
Beheading of St. John the Baptist - Aug 29
OL Sorrows- Sept. 15
OL Rosary - Oct 7
The Guardian Angels-Oct 2
St. Martin of Tours - Nov 11

(This direction is given under the respective date in the Proper of Saints.)

In other cases, for memorials, the psalms of the weekday are used with the antiphons of the weekday.
 
AJV said:
When there are Proper antiphons for a memorial, one is usually directed to use the festal psalms * There are a few memorials of this kind in the calendar - St. Martin of Tours, a couple of days back, is the most recent example.
  • psalms from the Common for Evening Prayer or from Sunday Week I for Morning Prayer (unless Proper psalms are given).
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Ah, ok.
 
japhy said:
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Update: The GILH says:
235. In the office of readings, at morning prayer, and at evening prayer:

a. the psalms and their antiphons are taken from the current week and day, unless there are proper antiphons or proper psalms, which is indicated as the case occurs;

b. the antiphon at the invitatory, the hymn, the short reading, the antiphons at the Canticles of Zechariah and of Mary, and the intercessions must be those of the saint if these are given in the proper; otherwise, they are taken either from the common or from the current week and day;

c. the concluding prayer from the office of the saint is to be said;

d. in the office of readings, the Scripture reading with its responsory is from the current cycle. The second reading is about the saint, with a proper responsory or one taken from the common; if there is no proper reading, the patristic reading for the day is used. The Te Deum is not said.In other words, for memorials of saints, you use whatever is given in the proper for that saint, but not what is given in the common of the saint.
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Thanks for that. The summarized version in the single volume [Christian Prayer] does not give that detail, and I have been confused.
 
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