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FRIEND,Bla,bla, bla, bla…
Does not Jesus EXPECT his Catholics to be charitable
God Bless you
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Does not Jesus EXPECT his Catholics to be charitable
God Bless you
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Russell_SA, here’s your chance to get rich
So my friend USE there process to DISPROVE what I have shared
Send them my post for the Evidences of GOD and should they fail to be able to scientifically disprove I assume, any of it, you win the $$$$$$ MEGA BUCKS
Russell, Here is Father Hardon’s Catholic Dictionary definition:
SOUL. The spiritual immortal part in human beings that animates their body. Though a substance in itself, the soul is naturally ordained toward a body; separated, it is an “incomplete” substance. The soul has no parts, it is therefore simple, but it is not without accidents. The faculties are its proper accidents. Every experience adds to its accidental form. It is individually created for each person by God and infused into the body at the time of human insemination. It is moreover created in respect to the body it will inform, so that the substance of bodily features and of mental characteristics insofar as they depend on organic functions is safeguarded. As a simple and spiritual substance, the soul cannot die. Yet it is not the total human nature, since a human person is composed of body animated by the soul. In philosophy, animals and plants are also said to have souls, which operate as sensitive and vegetative principles of life. Unlike the human spirit, these souls are perishable. The rational soul contains all the powers of the two other souls and is the origin of the sensitive and vegetative functions in the human being
I will add to this some of my own thoughts so that you don’t think all I do s copy and paste.
EVERY living “thing” has a “soul” which I understand to be that which animates all life forms. But just as the plant an animal kingdoms have a hierarchy; so too do “souls”.
Just as humanity is the pinnacle of the human chain; the human Soul holds the top position in complexity and merit in the “soul-chain.” It is NOT coincidental and is the direct result of the exclusively of humanity and humanities exclusive God GIFTED mind, intellect and freewill; which makes ONLY man a Rational being; and ONLY man’s Soul as possessing all that is essential to be “rational.”
WHY is this so:
Catholics [and even Old Testament Jews believed in an after life with God [though not precisely in the identical manner]
Because the human body corrupts upon death; there has to be something of that HUMAN & ONLY in humanity] person to face the consequences of their Life choices [Isaiah 43: 7, 21] a Final Judgment [but I get ahead of myself here]
What remains is the Human SOUL with it’s SPIRITUAL “Other self” of the mind, intellect and freewill still and permanently attached to it.
Russell my friend; I am not trying to be argumentative here… But I am unable to comprehend your position as stated.
From a Christian perspective:
“belief” stems from God’s OFFER of His Grace. [its the only possibility]
That “OFFER” can be rejected, accepted in part, or totally accepted; hence it is a CHOICE:shrug:
Further as I indicated in a prior choice where you claimed choice was not possible; and series of choices one COULD have made in your example of the chair and sitting.
See that’s where we disagree
Your premise seems to hold that what ever one is TOLD or exposed to MUST in an absolute sense be accepted without thought or consideration; where I hold to the position that ANY belief must first be accepted by the mind, intellect and FREEWILL; making such a choice.
EXACTLY; BUT that still requires a CHOICE to believe or NOT to believe the data. And yes one’s understanding can be changed based on new or additional data.
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CONTINUED FROM ABOVE POST
Truth can be nothing other than singular per defined issue.
You requested EVIDENCE of God which I and Thomas Aquinas HAVE SUPPLIED.
My FRIEND, you would do well to be honest with yourself. If your NOT going to be open to THEE TRUTH; then we are wasting each others time:
Father Hardon, a friend and former mentor of mine has this to say about truth:
“TRUTH IS THE CONDITION OF GRACE; IT IS THE SOURCE OF GRACE; IT IS THE CHANEL OF GRACE; IT IS THE DIVINELY ORDAINED REQUIREMENT OF GRACE”
Right understanding CAN ONLY come through God’s accepted OFFER of His Grace.
BENEDICT XVI
Benedict says: “If we omit the truth, what do we do anything for?”
& “There cannot be your truth and MY truth or their would be NO truth”
Ps.145:18 “
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[18] The LORD is near to all who call upon him,
to all who call upon him in truth.
**Dictionary Definition of “Truth”
John.8 Verses 43 to 47: “Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
John 1 :17 “because while the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ”
2 Cor. 13: “8 For we cannot do anything against the truth, but only for the truth.”
John 8: 31-32 ”Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
*Gal. 2: “5 to them we did not yield submission even for a moment, that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you.”
2 John 8-9 Anyone who is so “progressive” as not to remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God; whoever remains in the teaching has the Father and the Son
John 14: 16-17 And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you.
John 14: “6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me.”
Let’s presume your completely correct here [you’re not] BUT
THAT level of complexity is possible HOW? [please don’t tell me evolution] it existed in the very earliest man.
My friend If this is how your going to respond to ALL of the points I shared; your kidding yourself and avoiding the OBVIOUS and EVIDENT Truths:shrug:
God Bless you,
**THIS WEEK END KAREN AND I ARE CELEBRATING OUR 50TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY AND OUR SON FLEW IN FROM FLORIDA, SO I MAY NOT HAVE TIME FOR A FEW DAYS TO RESPOND FURTHER.
KNOW THOUGH THAT YOUR IN MY THOUGHT AND PRAYERS AND THAT I WILL GET BACK TO YOU
GOD BLESS,
PATRICK**
Russell, I’m disappointed in your position here. I’ve answered ALL of the questions YOU have asked and your evading answering mine only because you do not have a OBJECTIVELY true response. man has had at least 4,000 YEARS to discover it; we have sent a mna to the MOON and back, so your argument seems exceedingly weak.
Truth can be nothing other than singular per defined issue.
You requested EVIDENCE of God which I and Thomas Aquinas HAVE SUPPLIED.
My FRIEND, you would do well to be honest with yourself. If your NOT going to be open to THEE TRUTH; then we are wasting each others time:
Father Hardon, a friend and former mentor of mine has this to say about truth:
“TRUTH IS THE CONDITION OF GRACE; IT IS THE SOURCE OF GRACE; IT IS THE CHANEL OF GRACE; IT IS THE DIVINELY ORDAINED REQUIREMENT OF GRACE”
Right understanding CAN ONLY come through God’s accepted OFFER of His Grace.
BENEDICT XVI
Benedict says: “If we omit the truth, what do we do anything for?”
& “There cannot be your truth and MY truth or their would be NO truth”
Ps.145:18 “
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[18] The LORD is near to all who call upon him,
to all who call upon him in truth.
**Dictionary Definition of “Truth”
- The true or actual state of a matter:
conformity with fact or reality; verity: the truth of a statement - a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like mathematical truths.
- the state or character of being true.
- actuality or actual existence.
- an obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude.
- honesty; integrity; truthfulness.
- (often initial capital letter) ideal or fundamental reality apart from and
transcending perceived experience: - agreement with a standard or original.
9… accuracy, as of position or adjustment. - Archaic. Fidelity or constancy.**
John.8 Verses 43 to 47: “Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
John 1 :17 “because while the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ”
2 Cor. 13: “8 For we cannot do anything against the truth, but only for the truth.”
John 8: 31-32 ”Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
*Gal. 2: “5 to them we did not yield submission even for a moment, that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you.”
2 John 8-9 Anyone who is so “progressive” as not to remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God; whoever remains in the teaching has the Father and the Son
John 14: 16-17 And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you.
John 14: “6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me.”
OK
Let’s presume your completely correct here [you’re not] BUTTHAT level of complexity is possible HOW? [please don’t tell me evolution] it existed in the very earliest man.
My friend If this is how your going to respond to ALL of the points I shared; your kidding yourself and avoiding the OBVIOUS and EVIDENT Truths:shrug:
God Bless you,
**THIS WEEK END KAREN AND I ARE CELEBRATING OUR 50TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY AND OUR SON FLEW IN FROM FLORIDA, SO I MAY NOT HAVE TIME FOR A FEW DAYS TO RESPOND FURTHER.
KNOW THOUGH THAT YOUR IN MY THOUGHT AND PRAYERS AND THAT I WILL GET BACK TO YOU
GOD BLESS,
PATRICK**
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undead rat;14675254:
You may also watch the Youtube video which debates about Does God Exist?
youtube.com/watch?v=RQADiuyPV80
How can atheism cannot exist if there was no God. In other words, can you oppose something which doesn’t exist? There is no science without God. If man evolved from apes? How come apes still exist? Did evolution of woman also happened the same way? Many theories keep changing based on the discoveries made everyday. If science has answers for everything, there won’t be something called Paranormal or Supernatural which science cannot explain. While we (Christians) always have place for science, I wonder why it is soo difficult for atheist to accept God who is the ultimate creator
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KnowtheSilence;14677918:
How can atheism cannot exist if there was no God. In other words, can you oppose something which doesn’t exist? There is no science without God. If man evolved from apes? How come apes still exist? Did evolution of woman also happened the same way? Many theories keep changing based on the discoveries made everyday. If science has answers for everything, there won’t be something called Paranormal or Supernatural which science cannot explain. While we (Christians) always have place for science, I wonder why it is soo difficult for atheist to accept God who is the ultimate creator
Exactly!
Ask an atheist if he or she is afraid of dying? Ask them what happens after one dies?
Not one atheist has ever given me a solid -compelling explanation how life just happened come to existence from nothing. There must have been a purpose for it. All living creatures on earth posses a purpose.
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“So god is just the first cause of the universe? Fine, I’ll call it, ‘We don’t know yet’.”
The thought is that no matter what you find out about the origin of the universe there will always be something before it that caused it. Always, and always and always forever. You will never get to the beginning if you continue to look for a material (same as energy) beginning. You will never see the beginning from within. The beginning must come from without.
The thought is that no matter what you find out about the origin of the universe there will always be something before it that caused it. Always, and always and always forever. You will never get to the beginning if you continue to look for a material (same as energy) beginning. You will never see the beginning from within. The beginning must come from without.
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What ever you want it to be. Just like any other thing in your life. BTW - why would an the universe owe you a meaning anyways?
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Yes that is exactly all the evidence shows. Just because the evidence doesn’t show you what you want, doesn’t mean you get to invent a reality you want.
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Do you also require the rejection of the “invented realities” of the brilliant minds of the 20th century that envisioned the wave, particle or reaction before they reasonably proved its existence?
With your approach, the trajectory of knowledge grinds to a halt as whatsoever is discovered in often imagined before it is found.
Obviously this sometimes doesn’t pan out. There’s every rational reason to believe in aliens from another planet. But so far, no dice. Fermi paradox, is it?
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:ehh: Evidence shows…what?
What I want? It is not what I want, but moreover, what is presented. I have the option of taking it or leaving it. Invent a reality? I am not sure what you mean by “invent” reality?
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Whatever I want it to be? Interesting. There you go again with being owed something? Explain the correlation between purpose and being “owed” something by the universe?
So by your response, the world of atheism has no purpose? Wow! So every living creature which exists or has existed has no purpose at all?
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god and God , as was deity were explained on POST #120
As to WHY we exist:
The bibles book of Isaiah; chapter 43; verses 7 & 21
Isa.43: [7] every one who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made." & [21] the people whom I formed for myself that they might declare my praise. [its our choice! and right now you seem to be failing miserably… BUT their is still time for you to repent, be logical and convert]
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They make the purpose for themselves as we all do.
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The Robin William’s genie say, “Al a ka zam” and stuff appeared. Does that make it actually so as well? On the third scratch by the lip of the lamp, it statith - rub me and all your desires come true. Does that actually make it so? There’s all these writers in the holly land of hollywood that wrote this down as well. Did that actually make it so? I can assert just as much about your deity as I can about this genie and we still can’t actually tell a difference between the two can we?
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Okay, if that is what you wish to believe.- Status