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Can you cite any one else claiming to be the leader of the Roman Church, who wrote letters to other Churches?
I do not remember Clement claiming to be THE leader of the Roman congregation.

I have read the letter from the congregation at Rome to the congregation at Corinth. The authorship is attributed to be the congregation at Rome.
Can you name any of the other presbyters you say exist?
Of course not.
Why would Rome have been the only Church to not be led by a Bishop (the Pope)?
Because as yet, the monarchial bishop system was an eastern innovation that had not reached the west.

I figure most western congregations at the time were still under the old multiple presbyter system.
 
The multiple presbyter system.

How about a link from the Catholic Encyclopedia to help
The historical origin of the episcopate is much controverted: very diverse hypotheses have been proposed to explain the texts of the inspired writings and of the Apostolic Fathers relating to the primitive ecclesiastical hierarchy. They are most easily found in the work of von Dunin-Borkowski, on the latest researches concerning the origin of the episcopate (Die Neuren Forschungen uber die Anfange des Episkopats, Frieburg, 1900). The Apostolic and consequently the Divine origin of the monarchical episcopate has always been contested but especially so since Protestantism put forward the doctrine of a universal Christian priesthood. At the present day, rationalistic and Protestant writers, even those who belong to the Anglican Church, reject the Apostolic institution of the episcopate; many of them relegate its origin to the second century. Loning attempts to prove that originally there were several different organizations, that some Christian communities were administered by a body of presbyters, others by a college of bishops, others again by a single bishop. It is the last named form of organization, he declares, which has prevailed (Gemeindeverfassung des Urchristentums. Halle, 1889). Holtzmann thinks that the primitive organization of the churches was that of the Jewish synagogue; that a college of presbyters or bishops (synonymous words) governed the Judaeo Christian communities; that later this organization was adopted by the Gentile churches. In the second century one of these presbyter-bishops became the ruling bishop. The cause of this lay in the need of unity, which manifested itself when in the second century heresies began to appear. (Pastoralbriefe, Leipzig, 1880.) Hatch, on the contrary, finds the origin of the episcopate in the organization of certain Greek religious associations, in which one meets with episkopoi (superintendents) charged with the financial administration. The primitive Christian communities were administered by a college of presbyters; those of the presbyters administered the finances were called bishops. In the large towns, the whole financial administration was centralized in the hands of one such officer, who soon became the ruling bishop (The Organization of the Early Christian Churches, Oxford, 1881). According to Harnack (whose theory has varied several times), it was those who had received the special gifts known as the charismata, above all the gift of public speech, who possessed all authority in the primitive community. In addition to these we find bishops and deacons who possess neither authority nor disciplinary power, who were charged solely with certain functions relative to administration and Divine worship. The members of the community itself were divided into two classes: the elders (presbyteroi) and the youths (neoteroi). A college of presbyters was established at an early date at Jerusalem and in Palestine, but elsewhere not before the second century; its members were chosen from among the presbyteroi, and in its hands lay all authority and disciplinary power. Once established, it was from this college of presbyters that deacons and bishops were chosen. When those officials who had been endowed with the charismatic gifts had passed away, the community delegated several bishops to replace them. At a later date the Christians realized the advantages to be derived from entrusting the supreme direction to a single bishop. However, as late as the year 140, the organization of the various communities was still widely divergent. The monarchic episcopate offers its origin to the need of doctrinal unity, which made itself felt at the time of the crisis caused by the Gnostic heresies.
newadvent.org/cathen/02581b.htm

Its old research but it still shows that what I have said and Darron likewise, welcome Darron, is not so radical. They were talking about this topic 100 years ago in the Catholic Encyclopedia
 
I do not remember Clement claiming to be THE leader of the Roman congregation.

I have read the letter from the congregation at Rome to the congregation at Corinth. The authorship is attributed to be the congregation at Rome.
You are right that Clement never claimed leadership, at least explicitly in writing.
But my source cites Clement as the author, although from the introduction it does seem as though he is writing for the Church at Rome.
But, if Clement is the Pope (as Catholics claim and I think we can show that Anacletus, Linus, and Peter all came before Clement) then even if Clement is humble in his role as leader, he is still the Pope. Just as with Peter who assumed leadership responsibilities, why does this duty seem to just fall on Clement? Their can be more than one priest or bishop at a Church, but it seems that Clement has the authority, whether he is humble about it or not.
Because as yet, the monarchial bishop system was an eastern innovation that had not reached the west.
I am still learning about the early Churches, but didn’t all the Apostles go out and start new Churches which would make them the Bishops? John was in charge of the Churches in Asia, and Thomas preached in India. I am sure for practical reasons they trained some people as leaders (priests) but when they came around or wrote letters, the Churches viewed them as a authoritative figure, what we call a Bishop. We know for sure this was the case in the Eastern Churches, but do we know for sure this was not the case in the West? I am planning on reading Warren Carrolls 5 part history of Christianity, so maybe I will get some answers there.

I figure most western congregations at the time were still under the old multiple presbyter system.
 
The multiple presbyter system.

How about a link from the Catholic Encyclopedia to help

newadvent.org/cathen/02581b.htm

Its old research but it still shows that what I have said and Darron likewise, welcome Darron, is not so radical. They were talking about this topic 100 years ago in the Catholic Encyclopedia
J.B. Lightfoot, who may be regarded as an authoritative representative of the Anglican Church, holds a less radical system. The Primitive Church, he says, had no organization, but was very soon conscious of the necessity of organizing. At first the apostles appointed deacons; later, in imitation of the organization of the synagogue, they appointed presbyters, sometimes called bishops in the Gentile churches. The duties of the presbyters were twofold: they were both rulers and instructors of the congregation. In the Apostolic age, however, traces of the highest order, the episcopate properly so called, are few and indistinct. The episcopate was not formed from theApostolic order through the localization of the universal authority of the Apostles, but from the presbyteral (by elevation). The title of bishop originally common to all came at length to be appropriated to the chief among them. Within the period compassed by the Apostolic writings, James, the brother of the Lord, can alone claim to be regarded as a bishop in the later and more special sense of the term. On the other hand, through especially prominent in the Church of Jerusalem, he appears in the Acts as a member of the body. As late as the year 70; no distinct signs of episcopal government yet appeared in Gentile Christendom. During the last three decades of the first century, however, during the lifetime of the latest surviving Apostle, St. John, the episcopal office was established in Asia Minor. St. John was cognizant of the position of St. James at Jerusalem. When therefore, he found in Asia Minor manifold irregularities and threatening symptoms of disruption, he not unnaturally encouraged in these Gentile churches an approach to the organization, which had been signally blessed and had proved effectual in holding together the mother-church of Jerusalem amid dangers no less serious. The existence of a council or college necessarily supposes a presidency of some kind, whether this presidency be assumed by each member in turn, or lodged in the hands of a single person. It was only necessary, therefore, to give permanence, definiteness, stability to an office the germ of which already existed. There is no reason, however, for supposing that any direct ordinance was issued to the churches by St. John. The evident utility and even pressing need of such an office, sanctioned by the most venerated name in Christendom, would be sufficient to secure its wide though gradual reception. The earliest bishops, however, did not hold the position of independent supremacy which was and is occupied by their later representatives. This development is most conveniently grasped in connection with three great names:Ignatius, Irenaeus, and Cyprian, who represent as many successive advances towards the supremacy ultimately attained. By Ignatius the bishop is regarded as the centre of unity; to Irenaeus he is the depositary of primitive truth; to Cyprian, he is the absolute vicegerent of Christ in things spiritual (Lightfoot, The Christian Ministry, 181-269, in his commentary on St. Paul’s Epistle to the Philippians, London, 1896).
 
I just posted the next paragraph from the link.

I am not sure what you think all this proves though?

Clearly the 12 Apostles did not have a plan drawn up for how the Church was going to look, then just seems to go out and preach.

I don’t think anyone is saying the Roman Catholic Church of today, looks anything like the Early Church because that is nonsensical.

I mean think about this in today’s terms; take Walmart for example.

When Sam opened his first store, I am pretty sure he had no idea that it would grow into what it did. And it is clear that the Walmart chains of today, look nothing like what they first started as. The most obvious reason is that it would not be practical. When something grows, things have to change.

Catholics have always held that the Church is organic. It changes and adapts to the times, while still maintaining the purpose set out for it by Christ.

We know from Scripture that Christ appointed Peter as the Leader, with powers to loose and bind, and with the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. Matt 16

Why would it make sense that this would all end with Peter or the Apostles? I don’t know, Apostolic succession and a Pope just make sense to me.
 
I often wonder how Protestants (maybe I should non-Catholic Christians) come to terms with Jesus appointing Peter as the leader of the Church (gave him the Keys to the Kingdom) and told Peter that He would build His Church upon Peter. When we look at the history of this event, even the Apostles submit to Peter as the Leader (including Paul). St John even submits to Pope Clement (he was the 4th Pope). I mean, if Peter was supposed to be the only leader, then surely John would have felt obligated to speak up and not let Clement lead the Church. This all happened within the first century.

Jesus also said the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church.

First I am confused at how people can claim Sola Scriptura, and yet deny all this.

Second, how do we reconcile all this. Do we say that Jesus was a liar, and Hell has prevailed against the Catholic Church?

Or do claim that the Apostles twisted the words of Christ.

Both of these seem highly unlikely. But now we have to wait about 300 years after Christ died until St. Jerome compiles the New Testament (much of it was already considered sacred Scripture, but Jerome had the final say, so to speak). Which means that Sola Scriptura are putting their faith in St Jerome some 300 years after Christ died, but not in the very Apostles that Jesus choose to be disciples, and whom all followed Peter as the leader of the Church.

The only thing that makes sense to me is to either:
  1. Treat the New Testament as suspect, and therefore rely on Christ alone (sort of like a personal Jesus view).
  2. Or to accept that Jesus did found His one True Church, appointed Peter as the leader, sends the Holy Spirit to protect and inspire the Church, and follow Tradition which is as sacred as the New Testament.
Of course this all seems clear to me, as I have accepted number 2. But I am just curious.
Alot has happened since then and allot of things aren’t in the true bible as it should be there are books left out because someone said it was not to their liking. Now that is not right and I grew up learning this way I believe in the Eucharist the communion the body and blood of Christ, what is the problem? raggetyann
 
haha, well I am still learning 😉

I do not hang my hat on any one thing, but on everything together. The Bible, Tradition, and the Magisterium all work together.

What the book I am reading shows though, is that
  1. No one ever spoke out against the Primacy of Peter or of Rome
  2. We have many examples of the early Churches looking to Rome for help
What really makes me curious though is how anyone who looks to the Bible as sacred Scripture, can disregard Matt 16:13-19. Same for the Last Supper, and Jesus saying “Do this in remembrance of me.”
Question: who was the Bishop of Rome during the councel of Nicea??
how long did the debates at the councel of Nicea last?
how many people voted?
 
Dear Darron,
Congratulations on your graduate degree in Math. Math majors usually pay attention to details. Please note in my post #34 I modified the “write” you strongly objected to with the parenthetical “(authorized)”. Perhaps, in your haste, you missed that important modification. Thus, your criticism at 40, 46, 53, 57 were based on your oversight. Please don’t be embarrassed; we all do that from time to time.

I note also that you teach advanced math at college. It seems to me that a teacher would seize the opportunity to explain things to students. Please note that I asked for answers about the KJV that you have chosen not to answer because you missed the “write (authorized)” premise in 34. See my posts at:

· 34: Just how does a political king, King James, get Christ’s authority assigned to the Apostles to write (authorize) his own version of the Bible?

· 52: Perhaps you could enlighten us who do not know as you do about the KJB. I do know that King James personally did not write a bible but the revised translation was issued in his name. Did he disavow the use of his authority? If not why not?

· 55 Care to share a bit of history you know, especially that which may answer some of the questions I posed?

I am sorry you read my posts as “confrontational.” Yes, I did challenge the protestant position by stating, in question form, my concerns. I regret that that your feelings of being confronted prevented you from answering the more important substance questions I asked at 34 and 52.
 
I have a question and I do not know the answer. And me being me, I would not to have it an opinion but something official.
Does the Catholic Church assert they are the only ones who should/can/is preferable (whatever) issue a translation of the Sacred Scriptures? The last post deals with authority. I want to know OFFICIALLY what is the Catholic stance on this.
 
Question: who was the Bishop of Rome during the councel of Nicea??
how long did the debates at the councel of Nicea last?
how many people voted?
Not sure what your purpose of the last two questions are. There was two ecumenical councils of Nicaea (A.D. 325 and A.D. 787) and they took place in the city of Nicaea (hence their names) Here is some information about the first council catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9705fea3.asp

As for you first question, St. Sylvester I was Bishop (Pope).

So you must have some purpose in asking me these questions, I am anxiously waiting :cool:
 
Question: who was the Bishop of Rome during the councel of Nicea??
how long did the debates at the councel of Nicea last?
how many people voted?
I did a little research and I think I know where you are going 👍

The recommendation for a general or “ecumenical” council - the first in the history of the Church since the Apostolic Council of Jerusalem which had established a basis for joining Gentiles to the Mystical Body of Christ - had probably already been made to Constantine by Ossius, and most probably to Pope Silvester as well. (see 9 below) Constantine transferred the site of the council to Nicaea in Bithynia, more accessible to bishops coming by sea. Ossius presided over its deliberations; he probably, and two priests of Rome certainly, came as representatives of the Pope. (see 10 below)

About three hundred bishops were present at Nicaea. They came not only from all over the Roman world - naturally enough, more from the east where the council was held, than from the more distant west - but also from the lands beyond. The son of St. Gregory the Illuminator, the Apostle of Armenia, who now served as its bishop, was there; so was Bishop John from the Persian empire. Some of the bishops present had been victims and confessors of the Great Persecution; Paul of Neocaesarea on the Euphrates had lost the use of both hands from burning with a red-hot iron; Paphnutius and Potamon of Egypt had each had an eye gouged out by the imperial persecutors.
  1. De Clercp, Ossius pp.218-226; Hefele, Councils, I, 269-270. De Clercq thinks that Ossius had already recommended the council to Constantine before the synod of Antioch, which merely joined in the prior recommendation; in view of the close personal relationship between Ossius and Constantine and the very short period of time elapsed between the synod of Antioch (March or April 325) and the Council of Nicaea (early June 325), this would seem probably. As pointed out in Volume 1, Chapter Twenty of this history, the entire pattern of Pope Silvester I’s long (314-335) and puzzling pontificate is one of reports being duly made to him by most in the Church who should have done so, but of no replies of his ever being received of which history has any record or even hint. That Pope Silvester I was informed from the first about plans for the Council of Nicaea there is no good reason to doubt, however much its likelihood may be downplayed by sectarian prejudice or in misplaced deference to “ecumensim” among the current generation of historians. We know that Alexander of Alexandria wrote to Silvester about the Arian crisis; we know that he designated at least two, and in all probability three representatives to act in his name at the council (see note 10 below). We know that later, at the Sixth Ecumenical Council in Constantinople (680), it was stated as acceptable fact - though very much against the interest of the partisans of the episcopate of Constantinople, where the council was held, who sough to build up their see as a rival to Rome - that “Arius arose as an adversary to the doctrine of the Trinity, and Constantine and Silvester immediately assembled the great Synod of Nicaea” (Hefele, loc. cit.) In view of all this it is simply unreasonable to state, as in Hubert Jedin and John Dolan, eds., History of the Church, Volume II: “The Imperial Church from Constantine to the Early Middle Ages” (New York, 1980), p. 22, that “it is certain that Constantine neither had negotiations with Rome on an eventual convocation of the great synod nor did he ask the consent of the Roman Bishop.” There can be no such certainty from merely negative evidence; rather, the probability is to the contrary. Even the History of the Church later admits (ibid., p.28) that Pope Silvester did later consent to holding the council. If later, why not earlier? Constantine’s personal role in the calling of the Council of Nicaea does not, from the available evidence, seem to be any greater than the personal role of Charles V in convening the earlier sessions of the Council of Trent. (However, Constantine’s role in the actual sessions of the Council of Nicaea was indubitably greater than that of later sovereigns.)
  2. De Clercq, Ossius, pp 228-250; Hefele, Councils, I, 36-41; Barnes, Constantine and Eusebius, pp. 214-215. De Clercq’s arguments on this often controverted point are powerfully convincing; his conclusion, that Ossius’ representing Pope Silvester at Nicaea is only a “possibility,” is to modest or too cautious or both. The whole history of the calling of the Council of Nicaea, and the whole history of the Church in the empire for the preceding decade, suggest that Pope Sylvester would have designated Ossius for this role. At the Ecumentical Council of Espesus a century later, Bishop Cyril of Alexandria presided and signed the acts of the Council first, without reference to his role as chief representative of the Pope, and his signature was immediately followed by those of two bishops and a priest specifically designated as representing the Pope - just as in the acts of the Council of Nicaea, Ossius signed first as presiding officer without reference to his representing the Pope, followed by two priests identified as the Pope’s legates. The two situations are exactly parallel; yet in the case of the Council of Ephesus we know for a fact that Cyril of Alexandria had been designated the Pope’s representative. The whole creates a strong presumption that the same was true of Ossius at Nicaea.
All this is quoted from “The Building of Christendom” by Warren Carroll, p. 11

I hope there are not too many typos 🤷
 
As others have pointed out, you have a wrong premise. Your entire position is based on the premise that if a teacher is right at one point, he MUST ergo be correct at all points. This is absurd.

President Obama said during the campaign that there are 50 States in the USA. Do you agree that’s true? Assuming you do, does your agreeing THEREBY mean that you view President Obama as infallible, unaccountable, incapable of error, that when he speaks - God speaks, and that WHATEVER he officially says MUST be accepted as correct? I hope you see the fault with your premise of this thread…
Are you trying to tell me he can make mistakes? 😉
 
Does the Catholic Church assert they are the only ones who should/can/is preferable (whatever) issue a translation of the Sacred Scriptures? The last post deals with authority. I want to know OFFICIALLY what is the Catholic stance on this.
Good Morning, Brian,

The following is a redacted portion of an extended article on Infallibity taken from the Encyclopedia tab on the main home page of www.catholic.com The bold and underline is my effort to emphasize key points. I hope you, and others will take the time to read the extended article.

In essence, in my opinion, authority comes DOWN from Christ. Authority does not generate UP from man, no matter how sincere he is in seeking a relationship with God. Christ gave Peter and The Apostles the authority. I do not personally know if ‘ex cathedra infallibility on Faith and morals’ (a conditioned limited divine power) extends to each translation of Holy Scripture, but it is reasonable to want to stay as close those who have Christ’s authority.

TRUE MEANING OF INFALLIBILITY

It is well to begin by stating the ecclesiological truths that are assumed to be established before the question of infallibility arises. It is assumed

(a) that Christ founded His Church as a visible and perfect society;

(b) that He intended it to be absolutely universal and imposed upon all men a solemn obligation actually to belong to it, unless inculpable ignorance should excuse them;

(c) that He wished this Church to be one, with a visible corporate unity of faith, government, and worship;

(d) and that in order to secure this threefold unity, He bestowed on the Apostles and their legitimate successors in the hierarchy—and on them exclusively—the plenitude of teaching, governing, and liturgical powers with which He wished this Church to be endowed.

And this being assumed, the question that concerns us is whether, and in what way, and to what extent, Christ has made His Church to be infallible in the exercise of her doctrinal authority.

We mean in other words that the Church is infallible in her objective definitive teaching regarding faith and morals, not that believers are infallible in their subjective interpretation of her teaching.

This is obvious in the case of individuals, any one of whom may err in his understanding of the Church’s teaching; nor is the general or even unanimous consent of the faithful in believing a distinct and independent organ of infallibility. Such consent, indeed, when it can be verified as apart, is of the highest value as a proof of what has been, or may be, defined by the teaching authority, but, except in so far as it is thus the subjective counterpart and complement of objective authoritative teaching, it cannot be said to possess an absolutely decisive dogmatic value.

Taking the evidence both scriptural and traditional as it actually stands, one may fairly maintain that it proves papal infallibility in a simpler, more direct, and more cogent way than it proves the general doctrine independently; and there can be no doubt but that this is so if we accept as the alternative to papal infallibility the vague and unworkable theory of ecumenical infallibility which most High-Church Anglicans would substitute for Catholic teaching.

That the Church is infallible in her definitions on faith and morals is itself a Catholic dogma, which, although it was formulated ecumenically for the first time in the Vatican Council, had been explicitly taught long before and had been assumed from the very beginning without question down to the time of the Protestant reformation.

the Roman pontiff when he teaches ex cathedra "enjoys, by reason of the Divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer wished His Church to be endowed in defining doctrine regarding faith and morals".

it will suffice to consider the classical texts usually employed in the general proof of the Church’s infallibility; and of these the principal are:

Matt., xxviii, 18-20, and xvi, 18;
John, xiv, xv, and xvi;
I Tim., iii, 14-15; and
Acts, xv, 28 sq.
 
Dear Darron,
Congratulations on your graduate degree in Math. Math majors usually pay attention to details. Please note in my post #34 I modified the “write” you strongly objected to with the parenthetical “(authorized)”. Perhaps, in your haste, you missed that important modification. Thus, your criticism at 40, 46, 53, 57 were based on your oversight. Please don’t be embarrassed; we all do that from time to time.

I note also that you teach advanced math at college. It seems to me that a teacher would seize the opportunity to explain things to students. …I do – to students.

To me, a student is someone who
a) believes s/he needs to learn from someone who knows more,
b) acknowledges that I am the expert, and s/he is to learn from me,
c) comes to me expecting me to be the one to fulfill the acknowledged need to learn.
In religious discussion boards, typically none of these criteria are met.

Further, in areas of religion, I do not consider myself an expert of such quality that I think everyone should accept what I assert. Equally intelligent and equally informed and equally knowledgeable people come to different conclusions about religion.

So, asking me to treat you like students is not really something you ought to be comfortable with, and I do not think it is realistic.

I do have some questions I want to answer, but I want to get some other things away from cyberspace done first.
 
Grateful Fred
I did read your article.
It is certainly permissible for you to post anything you wish within rules. I will say, unless someone can point out where I am wrong, that it is exactly and precisely what I did not ask for though. The scope of this focus will include infallibility but I would think, with an infallible voice and faith and morals, we could find the answer to my question. Does the Catholic Church have an infallible stance or an offiically teaching that limits translations to only the Catholic Church.
If it does not exist offficially, it does not exist officially. If it does, I want to know. I am of the opinion that if the Catholic Church does not have some form of offiicial view, we are arguing opinion against opinion and Darron is being asked to provide a rational for something that may not even be against Catholic teaching. Which is fine, but should be stated as such IF that is the case 😉
Thanks and best wishes.
BH
 
Actually it is saying that the pope is no more infallible than I am. that THE church is not the only church, and that a church that challenges the people to read and understand Gods word and discuse freely the differences is more likely to weed out errors than a church that claims infallibility and limits its membership to those who profess to agree on every doctrine. I do question my own church teachings, my paster is pretrib and I am post trib.
This mentality does not show a whole lot of trust in God. Rather it shows a trust in democratic arguments and majority superiority. If in fact no one can be infallible, then there is no way we can arrive at all truth, which is contrary to the promise of Christ that the Holy Spirit will teach us all truth.

Are we going to rely on a democratic process where we use our intellectual debate skills to seek truth, or are we going to rely on the authority provided by God Himself?

We know that God does not side with the majority all the time.
 
Grateful Fred
I did read your article.
It is certainly permissible for you to post anything you wish within rules. I will say, unless someone can point out where I am wrong, that it is exactly and precisely what I did not ask for though. The scope of this focus will include infallibility but I would think, with an infallible voice and faith and morals, we could find the answer to my question. Does the Catholic Church have an infallible stance or an offiically teaching that limits translations to only the Catholic Church.
If it does not exist offficially, it does not exist officially. If it does, I want to know. I am of the opinion that if the Catholic Church does not have some form of offiicial view, we are arguing opinion against opinion and Darron is being asked to provide a rational for something that may not even be against Catholic teaching. Which is fine, but should be stated as such IF that is the case 😉
Thanks and best wishes.
BH
catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0212fea3.asp
This article is about Tyndale’s heresy, but near the beginning we find

"…the Synod of Oxford passed a law in 1408 that prevented any unauthorized translation of the Bible into English and also forbade the reading of such unauthorized translations.

It is a fact usually ignored by Protestant historians that many English versions of the Scriptures existed before Wycliff, and these were authorized and perfectly legal (see Where We Got the Bible by Henry Graham, chapter 11, “Vernacular Scriptures Before Wycliff”). Also legal would be any future authorized translations. And certainly reading these translations was not only legal but also encouraged. All this law did was to prevent any private individual from publishing his own translation of Scripture without the approval of the Church."

So it does seems that any translations not approved by the Church, are not valid.
Is that what you were looking for?
 
catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0212fea3.asp
This article is about Tyndale’s heresy, but near the beginning we find

"…the Synod of Oxford passed a law in 1408 that prevented any unauthorized translation of the Bible into English and also forbade the reading of such unauthorized translations.

It is a fact usually ignored by Protestant historians that many English versions of the Scriptures existed before Wycliff, and these were authorized and perfectly legal (see Where We Got the Bible by Henry Graham, chapter 11, “Vernacular Scriptures Before Wycliff”). Also legal would be any future authorized translations. And certainly reading these translations was not only legal but also encouraged. All this law did was to prevent any private individual from publishing his own translation of Scripture without the approval of the Church."

So it does seems that any translations not approved by the Church, are not valid.
Is that what you were looking for?
I believe so. I do not know what the synod of Oxford was exactly?
 
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