A question for doctors and nurses out there

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I’m really puzzled by doctors’ total discomfort in talking about spiritual stuff. Its a total no no. Why cant i tell a doctor i think Jesus is helping me without getting a suspicious look, like as if i’v told him tarot cards are helping me. Its Jesus! Why wont they talk about death in spiritual terms. I told my nurse i cope by going to Adoration etc. She suggested yoga.

Is there part of your training when a professor says “Don’t talk about God”?

Please if there are any Catholic doctors/nurses out there could you please give me some insight.
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Not being a nurse (I’m currently about to graduate as a physical therapist,) I really can’t speak for their education, but my sister is an RN and has worked in ICU for about twenty years. She has a textbook entitled “Critical Care–Body, Mind, Spirit.”

People are generally reluctant to talk about their beliefs, or explore a patient’s beliefs, but I’ve worked with some very devout Catholic doctors and nurses over the last four years. One older physician, when noticing signs of recovery in one of his patients while he is on rounds, says as a matter of course, “praise God and all His Saints!” Lots of Catholic health care personnel wear crucifixes. Before HIPPA laws came into effect, if a Catholic patient was taking a turn for the worse, it was the charge nurse’s responsibility to contact the Catholic chaplain or the patient’s parish priest for the Sacrament of the Sick. Nowadays, they ask you if you want the clergy to be contacted when you’re admitted to the hospital.

The nurse may have suggested yoga because the rhythmic breathing pattern promotes relaxation at the physical level. Many Catholics, when doing meditation, utilize the same breathing patterns to help relax and get themselves into a mental posture for prayer. I don’t think she was recommending yoga philosophy, but it might be possible.

Just a couple of random thoughts here. Medicine has recently started to pay attention to spirituality as a component of recovery from disease or as a coping mechanism to deal with pain and suffering. Actual paid research is being conducted, and you might find some studies linked to the National Institute of Health’s website. Also, try Creighton University, they’re a Jesuit run college but have a good reputation for medicine and nursing.
 
I find the same problems in the hospital in which i work as a manager of the Rehabilitation Department. I think it boils down to ignorance and spiritual emptiness–people either are agnostic or have weak faith. They are more focused on getting their jobs done that with connecting with patients or even thinking of needs that go beyond pain control and stable vital signs. People don’t seem to enjoy speaking of God, suffering, hope death, and other matters that pertain to sick people. Even so, you don’t need to be spiritual or religious to address a patient’s spiritual needs. The Joint Commission on the Accreditation of Hospital Organizations actually has criteria for assessing and addressing patients’ spiritual needs. It is very basic and easy to understand and implement.

On a personal note, over a year ago, I had to have a basic surgical procedure in the hospital in which I work. Before I had the procedure, I made it clear to my doctor that I would pray for her. She responded by saying, “no need to–it’s a routine procedure.” But I gently told her that she needed prayers for the hard work she does and that no matter how “routine” something is that only God was in control. She seemed surprised. When I was assessed and prepped for the procedure nobody asked me about my spiritual needs or my religion. I took it upon myself to tell the nurse that should I become ill or code, that a priest is to be called without delay. I made sure she documented that request in my chart and that everyone know about it.

When my friend had a double mastectomy a few years ago she insisted on wearing her scapular in the OR and the nurse told her she could not. The surgeon, however, was very understanding and had the scapular taped to her body, far away from the surgical area. That is a fine example of spiritual care.
 
I’m a nurse. We are supposed to ask about people’s religious beliefs during our assessment, and take this into account when caring for them. We have a wide range of clergy who we can call on, depending on the patients religion.

I think you will find staff at hospitals just reflects society, which is increasingly secular.

I am of course happy to pray with a patient if they request it, which some have in the past.
 
Not being a nurse (I’m currently about to graduate as a physical therapist,) I really can’t speak for their education, but my sister is an RN and has worked in ICU for about twenty years. She has a textbook entitled “Critical Care–Body, Mind, Spirit.”

People are generally reluctant to talk about their beliefs, or explore a patient’s beliefs, but I’ve worked with some very devout Catholic doctors and nurses over the last four years. One older physician, when noticing signs of recovery in one of his patients while he is on rounds, says as a matter of course, “praise God and all His Saints!” Lots of Catholic health care personnel wear crucifixes. Before HIPPA laws came into effect, if a Catholic patient was taking a turn for the worse, it was the charge nurse’s responsibility to contact the Catholic chaplain or the patient’s parish priest for the Sacrament of the Sick. Nowadays, they ask you if you want the clergy to be contacted when you’re admitted to the hospital.

The nurse may have suggested yoga because the rhythmic breathing pattern promotes relaxation at the physical level. Many Catholics, when doing meditation, utilize the same breathing patterns to help relax and get themselves into a mental posture for prayer. I don’t think she was recommending yoga philosophy, but it might be possible.

Just a couple of random thoughts here. Medicine has recently started to pay attention to spirituality as a component of recovery from disease or as a coping mechanism to deal with pain and suffering. Actual paid research is being conducted, and you might find some studies linked to the National Institute of Health’s website. Also, try Creighton University, they’re a Jesuit run college but have a good reputation for medicine and nursing.
I work in critical care too. I would be interested in checking out her book if you could pm me her name.
 
I also work in healthcare, in Pathology, and have patients or vistors that speak to me in the hallways, elevators, etc., usually asking for directions. When that happens, I try to take them where they’re going to make it easier for them (I work in a university hospital and it’s huge). They sometimes tell me what’s going on with them in the course of what usually turns out to be a long walk and when I tell them that I’ll keep them in my prayers, I never get a negative response. It almost always is a very emphatic thank you.
I think it’s just luck of the draw whether you get someone who is very spiritual or not. But don’t let them discourage you, there are plenty of faithful who are caregivers out there.
 
I think that’s the textbook. Just to clarify, my sister owns a copy. She didn’t write it (but she’d be very flattered if someone thought she did!)
 
Wow thanks so much for the replies. They’re all so informative. I find that lately, since my faith has been getting deeper and deeper, that when i go to my regular appointments for depression, the consultation usually becomes borderline evangelization!
What i mean by that is they’l ask me how i’m doing and i’l say ok yeah i take my meds but stil get down at times, then pray/go to Adoration etc and say that it gives me peace and joy. Then he goes “hmmm…” and stares at me. I quote Jesus and (doc’s Muslim) he looks shocked, inspired, thoughtful. Then he looks happy for me and says “Go for it!”
I would love doctors and priests to work together. Is that stretching it too far?
Peace
 
Wow thanks so much for the replies. They’re all so informative. I find that lately, since my faith has been getting deeper and deeper, that when i go to my regular appointments for depression, the consultation usually becomes borderline evangelization!
What i mean by that is they’l ask me how i’m doing and i’l say ok yeah i take my meds but stil get down at times, then pray/go to Adoration etc and say that it gives me peace and joy. Then he goes “hmmm…” and stares at me. I quote Jesus and (doc’s Muslim) he looks shocked, inspired, thoughtful. Then he looks happy for me and says “Go for it!”
I would love doctors and priests to work together. Is that stretching it too far?
Peace
 
Wow thanks so much for the replies. They’re all so informative. I find that lately, since my faith has been getting deeper and deeper, that when i go to my regular appointments for depression, the consultation usually becomes borderline evangelization!
What i mean by that is they’l ask me how i’m doing and i’l say ok yeah i take my meds but stil get down at times, then pray/go to Adoration etc and say that it gives me peace and joy. Then he goes “hmmm…” and stares at me. I quote Jesus and (doc’s Muslim) he looks shocked, inspired, thoughtful. Then he looks happy for me and says “Go for it!”
I would love doctors and priests to work together. Is that stretching it too far?
Peace
 
Wow thanks so much for the replies. They’re all so informative. I find that lately, since my faith has been getting deeper and deeper, that when i go to my regular appointments for depression, the consultation usually becomes borderline evangelization!
What i mean by that is they’l ask me how i’m doing and i’l say ok yeah i take my meds but stil get down at times, then pray/go to Adoration etc and say that it gives me peace and joy. Then he goes “hmmm…” and stares at me. I quote Jesus and (doc’s Muslim) he looks shocked, inspired, thoughtful. Then he looks happy for me and says “Go for it!”
I would love doctors and priests to work together. Is that stretching it too far?
Peace
 
I’ve prayed with Catholic hospital patients and occasionally a doctor or nurse will come in to join us. They (the staff) are usually grateful. This is not at a Catholic hospital.
 
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