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Jerusha
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So what else is new?
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ParkerD
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Jerusha,
I’m not trying to be unfriendly, but I think it would be a fair question given that I have tried to be as forthright as I could, without drowning people in more detail than they could possibly want, to ask:
Can you or let’s say a child who is curious, go to your priest or to a Catholic bishop and ask any question you like about this world, how God created it, what heaven is like (or the alternative), whether and if so how we are God’s spirit children, and get a full and complete answer that is understandable rationally, is consistent with what another priest or bishop would tell you under like circumstances, and would satisfy the child’s curiosity?
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LAMBOFGODGIRLY
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· Parker, does this mean that there are going to be many other worlds/universes in the future with other Gods ruling it?
· What happens to God after we all leave this earth and the other exalted gods have their universes?
· Does this earth continue to bear children and just keep going?
· Is there a chance for any of the universes to become corrupt as ours has?
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Jerusha
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Yes, Parker. All four answers to questions about the nature of the universe, God, and mankind, given normal circumstances, would be consistent. They are all set down in Catholic doctrine. Me asking two priests, and a child asking two priests. 
And they would not be tailored to fit what the child, or I believed previously.
And he would laugh at the concept of a pre-existence, or ask if my knowledge had been contaminated by Mormons or people of the Eastern religions.
And they would not be tailored to fit what the child, or I believed previously.
And he would laugh at the concept of a pre-existence, or ask if my knowledge had been contaminated by Mormons or people of the Eastern religions.
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ParkerD
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Lamb of God Girly,
Wow! Those are very deep questions–some of them the kind I have had during my life.
An important basic is to understand that the only way a Divine being has power is because they are in perfect oneness with God the Father and a fulness of truth, just as Christ and the Father are one. Christ talked about becoming one with Him as He spoke His intercessory prayer, recorded in John 17:
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
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20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Future worlds or future multi-universes (I have no idea which is correct, but some of current science talks about multi-universes), will always be subject to the rule and reign of God the Father and of Jesus Christ. Any other “joint-heir” will be acting in perfect harmony with them, and will still worship them.
This earth becomes the Celestial home of those who are “joint-heirs” with Christ, after this earth has been through the Millenium.
This particular earth seems to have the most extreme opposites of good people and people who allow themselves to be controlled by Satan and his followers from pre-mortal life. So, I assume that other worlds will not have as great a difficulty with the corruption you noted. Satan will eventually have no controlling influence in our universe, as Isaiah and John in Revelation teach us. He will be cast into Outer Darkness and eternal torment.
I assume, though, that there will be some kind of opposition going on in other worlds to come, since opposition really allows for growth (like a muscle grows when it has to “push back” or “push up” and we grow as we “push on” through the challenges of life).
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At least you have been pleasant and forth coming with your answers. I do appreciate it.
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ParkerD
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Jerusha,Yes, Parker. All four answers to questions about the nature of the universe, God, and mankind, given normal circumstances, would be consistent. They are all set down in Catholic doctrine. Me asking two priests, and a child asking two priests.
And they would not be tailored to fit what the child, or I believed previously.
And he would laugh at the concept of a pre-existence, or ask if my knowledge had been contaminated by Mormons or people of the Eastern religions.
Well, then, I am sincerely curious to know Catholic doctrine about how all humankind are God’s spirit children? I am willing to look it up if you have a reference on the internet. Thanks.
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Jerusha
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We are all God’s children, but not in the LDS sense of it.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church is usually available online, but the link appears to be broken right now. You can get it at most large bookstores, or your local Catholic Church could order you one, gladly.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church is usually available online, but the link appears to be broken right now. You can get it at most large bookstores, or your local Catholic Church could order you one, gladly.
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RebeccaJ
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Jerusha
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Thanks, 'Becca 
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dianaiad
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I will repeat: Jesus was God before His physical birth; we do believe that He was Jehovah, God of the OT; that it is through Him that God created, well, pretty much everything. That makes Him God.
I guess you will have to define what YOU mean by ‘exalted.’
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dianaiad
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How do you think He created everything…including us?
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ParkerD
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Jerusha, Rebecca, Lamb of God Girly, and Stephen,Thanks, 'Becca
Thanks for braving the questions.
Thanks also for the link.
I note from one of the Catechism statements:
“Father,. . . you formed man in your own likeness and set him over the whole world to serve you, his creator, and to rule over all creatures” (Roman Missal, EP IV, 118).
“Christ shall be the first-born of a multitude of brothers and sisters (cf. Eph 1:3-6; Rom 8:29).”
I believe those statements also.
All the best to each of you. Thanks, Stephen, for your kind comment.
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RebeccaJ
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Simple question. In the sequence of things, as mormons believe
- Your god created everyone as spirits first, including Jesus
- Jesus is a spirit child, just like everyone else…you, ParkerD, LDSguy, you all started out the same as Jesus
- Your god said his plan was for you to be gods too. To make this happen, you gotta be born and have a body.
- You, ParkerD, LDSguy and Jesus, all get bodies
- You, ParkerD, LDSguy believe you can be exalted at the resurrection
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dianaiad
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Again, define ‘exalted.’
and no, we do not believe that we 'started the same as jesus." Remember your own history and time in Seminary; we believe that God created the earth and the universe THROUGH Jesus. Jesus is Jehovah. Jesus is God. None of the rest of us ever have been.
Yes, we believe that Jesus was born, gained a mortal body, died and was resurrected; His body is a perfect one, like His Father’s…the first fruits of the resurrection.
Jesus is God. I don’t quite get how much more "exalted’ one can get than this, do you? Since He was God before His birth…
no, Rebecca, you are going to have to actually define what you mean by “exalted.”
Even we do not think that simply being resurrected would do that, y’know, since we believe that everybody is going to be resurrected.
Everybody.
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RebeccaJ
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That is what I am remembering.
Spirit siblings…Jesus being the first born. God asks who, Jesus raises His hand.
The Jesus is Jehovah thing is new. I still have subscription to gospelink.com. I looked it up…back in the day your church explained “Jehovah” differently. How I was taught. Jehovah = God the Father.
exalted = become A god. Jesus was a first born spirit…made A god? When?
please, you believe Jesus is A God. Not THE God. Still no answer to when.
exalted = made A god
so when are you exalted…assuming you’re worthy and all
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ParkerD
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Diana,
Thanks for being persistent…
Rebecca, I was always taught Jesus was Jehovah in pre-mortal life, during classes in Seminary, in Sunday School, always. It made sense to me. When the Brother of Jared saw the vision He saw of Jesus Christ, he saw that He would have a body when He came to earth and that “man have I created after the body of my spirit”. See Ether 3:14-16.
I remember being taught that “I AM” has essentially the same meaning as “Jehovah”. See the book Jesus the Christ, by James E Talmage, pp. 36-37. This book was first copyrighted in 1915. Elder Talmage had been asked by the First Presidency to write the book using careful research. It is unequivocal on this subject. The entire chapter 4 discusses this whole topic thoroughly. This book has been and still is well known throughout the LDS church as a basic authoritative book on the life and mission of Jesus Christ.
Thanks for being persistent…
Rebecca, I was always taught Jesus was Jehovah in pre-mortal life, during classes in Seminary, in Sunday School, always. It made sense to me. When the Brother of Jared saw the vision He saw of Jesus Christ, he saw that He would have a body when He came to earth and that “man have I created after the body of my spirit”. See Ether 3:14-16.
I remember being taught that “I AM” has essentially the same meaning as “Jehovah”. See the book Jesus the Christ, by James E Talmage, pp. 36-37. This book was first copyrighted in 1915. Elder Talmage had been asked by the First Presidency to write the book using careful research. It is unequivocal on this subject. The entire chapter 4 discusses this whole topic thoroughly. This book has been and still is well known throughout the LDS church as a basic authoritative book on the life and mission of Jesus Christ.
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LAMBOFGODGIRLY
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So, y’all do believe that God and Jesus are one? So, do you believe in the trinity?
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ParkerD
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Lamb of God Girly,
I happened upon your question. Though Diana can of course answer also, I wanted you to understand that for the LDS the term Godhead is used in lieu of the term “trinity” because “trinity” is always understood to mean a definition that implies or says “three in one.”
We believe God the Father and Jesus Christ are separate Divine Beings who are One in purpose, united in their perfect love for all of us, who are each omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipotent. They are one in the exact sense conveyed in John 17.
The discussion about the definition of the trinity was, as you probably know, one of the main reasons for the council of Nicea that led to the Nicene creed. The key people got together so they could try to agree on a creed that they could teach. They had differing understandings–that’s why they convened the council. Just because they came up with a definition that the majority agreed on, doesn’t mean they got it right.
But, again, your beliefs are fine if they lead you to pray sincerely to God who loves you personally, and if you believe in Jesus who also loves you and indeed died for all of our sins. If you think they are manifestations of the same loving Being, and continue to read the Bible and seek the Spirit, I think God will guide your life. Why would God be so narrow as to insist that everyone visualizes Him exactly the same way?
Say, you might be interested to know that our church believes Jesus was born right around April 6, the same time as Easter. So in the coming weeks, as we all think of Jesus and His merciful love for us, we all can remember His birth, His atonement and His resurrection, and rejoice in these glorious blessings to all of humankind.
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RebeccaJ
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that’s nice ParkerD. I think we’ve established several times over that your teachings change.
still no answer
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