A question for Muslim apologists

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5:116 condemns Christians for taking Mary as a god because many Christian practices involving veneration of Mary (Catholic and Eastern Orthodox certainly) amount to worship in Islamic doctrine, for example praying to her. It does not mean Christians literally believe her to be a god. 9:31 also condemns Christians for taking Jesus and their Priests as Lords besides God; obviously the author of the Qur’an did not think Christians believe their Priests to be Lords like they believe Jesus to be, so evidently these verses aren’t meant to be interpreted in a totally literal fashion, but rather within the proper Islamic framework.

5:116 has nothing to do with the Trinity.
There in lies the rub, if Mohammed were to not believe that Jesus was God then of course he would try and condemn those who believed so, the Jews felt the same way, yet Jesus was the fulfillment of their Scriptures. Through our Scriptures (half Jewish as you may know) we are taught that Jesus and God are one in the same. I feel as though it is quite arrogant to think that God cannot occupy the body of a man as well as continue His godly duties.
 
5:116 condemns Christians for taking Mary as a god because many Christian practices involving veneration of Mary (Catholic and Eastern Orthodox certainly) amount to worship in Islamic doctrine, for example praying to her. It does not mean Christians literally believe her to be a god. 9:31 also condemns Christians for taking Jesus and their Priests as Lords besides God; obviously the author of the Qur’an did not think Christians believe their Priests to be Lords like they believe Jesus to be, so evidently these verses aren’t meant to be interpreted in a totally literal fashion, but rather within the proper Islamic framework.

5:116 has nothing to do with the Trinity.
What’s the “proper Islamic framework” for deciding how to interpret a verse? I was under the impression that Islam interprets the entire Koran literally. Is that not the case?
 
compared to the new testament, the language of the koran is so pedestrian. the parables and sayings of Jesus in the NT are so incredibly profound, and are powerful evidence of his divinity. conversely, passages from the koran (like the one in the OP) are nothing special at all.
 
Muslims are the authority of Islam. The Arabs came from these lands.

Jews are the authority of Judaism. The Jews came from Israel.

Although Muslims have have taken over many Christian lands, Muslims are no authority on Christianity. Christianity comes out of Judaism which is a very different culture than that of the Muslim world. Christianity has gone to many different cultures and countries, much more expansive than Judaism. So it is alot more complicated in practice. But the beliefs found in the creed are the same. Christianity came from Jesus Christ, not from Islam.

Islam drew from Judaism and Christianity without faith experience.

So they claim to know Jesus and Mary, and think they understand how we believe and relate. But they come up with wrong ideas about us and want to kill us some times.

Muslims do not know Jesus in truth. So they do not know Mary in truth. If they did understand, then we would have peace.

Muslims must work hard not to judge people because Muslims cannot understand other people’s religions. Muslims need to work to understand other people’s religions from the context of where they live and their own history, instead of coming in and taking over and misunderstanding and judging people to hell.

Get my point?
You have a gift, Kathleen. Just when I think I read your best post ever, here you are with yet another that tops the last. Right tone, right message, always.
 
What’s the “proper Islamic framework” for deciding how to interpret a verse? I was under the impression that Islam interprets the entire Koran literally. Is that not the case?
One of the most important things you must know and pay attention to is the issue of Shirk (Associating partners with Allaah in worship), its seriousness and its different types.

The word Shirk in Arabic means taking a partner, i.e., regarding someone as the partner of another. It is used in Arabic when one wishes to express that he regards two people as equal in status; or that two people are involved in it.

In terms of Sharee’ha or Islamic terminology, Shirk means ascribing a partner or rival to Allaah in Lordship (Ruboobiyyah), worship (Uloohiyyah) or in His Names and Attributes.

to share others in worship with allah not necessery means to divine others beside him .

shirk can means ascribing to someone other than Allaah something that belongs only to Allaah, such as Lordship (Ruboobiyyah), Worship (Uloohiyyah) and the Divine Names or Attributes (Al-Asmaa’ Was-Sifaat).

This kind of Shirk may sometimes be outwardly, such as the Shirk of those who worship idols and graves, or the dead or even living people.

shirk means supplicate to someone other than Allaah, or seek his help or seek refuge with him with regard to matters over which no one has control except Allaah, whether the person called upon is a Prophet, a Wali (righteous person), an angel or a jinn, or some other created being.

all these things are different types of shirk which means share others in worship beside allah
 
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