A question for non-Catholic Christians on salvation

[reen12]

That is an excellent question.

Most of the churches that I have been involved in believe in the “Age of Accountability”. That is beneath some unknown point of development you get a pass.

One big problem I can see with this right off the bat is the cutoff point problem. Some child one day under this cutoff point gets a pass while some child right one day above this cutoff point goes to hell for eternity. That doesn’t seem right.

However, anything else that I have heard has logical problems and inconsistencies. Maybe someday I will hear something I really like, but until then.

Actually the Catholic position of not really being sure but trusting in the mercy of God is as good as anything else that i have heard. I sort of like “I don’t know” instead of making up BS.

So I

Hi, With Questions,

I appreciate what you’re saying.

reen12

 

[reen12]

I don’t see that as being much different than the Christian view, other than terminology.

Do you agree that if man has free will then he will sometimes fall short of God’s ideal?

Assuming you do, do you think it is plausible that God needs us to be purfied at some point before joining him in eternity?

quote: CHESTERTONRULES

I don’t see that as being much different than the Christian view, other than terminology.

That’s what I thought, at first. Then I refreshed my memory,
as to the doctrine of concupisence.

newadvent.org/cathen/04208a.htm

I just scanned that brief article again.

It is redolent of ‘man in the dock,’ for lack of a better descriptor.
‘victory’ ‘condemnation’ ‘guilt’ ‘cleansed’ ‘justified.’

It has more the tone of a legal brief.

This is not at all man - ‘described’ - *via *the yetzers.

jewfaq.org/human.htm

Man will sin, during his/her lifetime. And God will forgive that sin.

Come now, let us set things right, says the Lord:
Though your sins be like scarlet, they may become white as snow…Is.1:18

I read that article, [linked to above] on Human Nature, and find no sense of ‘man in the dock.’

reen

 

[reen12]

I don’t see that as being much different than the Christian view, other than terminology.

Do you agree that if man has free will then he will sometimes fall short of God’s ideal?

Assuming you do, do you think it is plausible that God needs us to be purfied at some point before joining him in eternity?

quote: CHESTERTONRULES

Do you agree that if man has free will then he will sometimes fall short of God’s ideal?

Each man and woman will sin, in their lifetime, as even the casual observer will note.

And God, in the earlier scriptures, grants forgiveness and mercy.

Come now, let us set things right, says the Lord:
Though your sins be like scarlet, they may become white as snow…Is.1:18

Yet where, in the earlier scriptures - does God call for perfection in human beings?

That is a Christian concept of what God expects from His human creatures.
‘Be ye perfect…’]

quote: reen12

Judaism simply does not share the same notion, in re

salvation, as do Christians.

I think their view is consonant with both the makeup of a human
being, and the innocence of man at birth.

jewfaq.org/salvatn.htm

reen

 

[reen12]

I don’t see that as being much different than the Christian view, other than terminology.

Do you agree that if man has free will then he will sometimes fall short of God’s ideal?

Assuming you do, do you think it is plausible that God needs us to be purfied at some point before joining him in eternity?

I wished to address each of your points, CHESTERTONRULES.

quote: CHESTERTONRULES

Assuming you do, do you think it is plausible that God needs us to be purfied at some point before joining him in eternity?

You know what I find of particular note, here?

The earlier faith leaves many things undefined.

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Various thoughts - on that which is undefined, are welcomed.
Which is why it is said that “The ‘dominant’ thought is…”

The Christian interest - in the conditions that will obtain, after life,
is simply not a focus of the earlier faith. The focus is on the here and now.

It’s not that no thought is given to same, but speculative activity -
in terms of defining and outlining man’s destination and condition

• after life ends, is simply not a matter of focus, in Judaic thought.

Some hold that a kind of purification takes place, for up to a year.
[This is why *kaddish is recited for 12 months.]

What is the fate of the truly wicked, who caused much suffering and did great evil?
There is thought that such souls will be extinguished.

Yet in all things, God is to be trusted. The emphasis is relational in nature -
one trusts God, as one would trust a loving human father.

reen