a Question for our non-CATHOLIC BRETHREN

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lol No, not one particular issue.

However, I will say, as I’ve said in many many threads, if I believed in transubstantiation, I’d be much more drawn to the RCC. I’ve studied, read, prayed, absorbed scripture, thus far no “light bulb” moment except a more stalwart belief against transubstantiation.
 
ChurchSoldier said:
Mary.
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I should clarify. Not Mary herself, just the quantity and exhuberance with which focus is placed on her by many. I have no problem with Mary or any other member of the Communion of Saints, nor asking their assistance in prayer.
 
Is it appropriate to say I’ve been there already, or is this thread only meant for people who were never members of the Roman Catholic communion? Or perhaps a most honest answer would say I tried to be in the RCC, but ultimately found it to be a very spiritually unhealthy home for me, for various reasons it’s probably best not to discuss on this message board. God bless those who are Catholic and remain so devoutly, but in the end I found I was not one of them. 😦
 
No, not just one. Among other things, I don’t believe in the resurrection, or that God would favor certain people or groups with objective, direct revelation while letting others get it second-hand.
 
I suppose Catholics as well as non-Catholics have reservations on some points of doctrines and traditions. So I believe the question, which is worth asking, should be open to everyone.

If I were to answer, making no never mind whether as Catholic or non-Catholic, I would offer these as issues which in my mind have not been satisfactorily resolved:

Anthropomorphism and feminization.
The belief in many religions that not only is there a “Mother God,” but there must be a manifestation of her: Mother Divine, Mrs. Moon, “Mother God” of the World Mission Society Church of God, Mary “Mother of God,” etc. I do believe in a “feminine” side to God, but not that he needs to put that nature into a human being. Nor do I see how the reasoning that since Jesus was sinless, Mary was, does not extend also to Mary’s parents, to theirs and all the way back, embracing all humanity.

And perhaps related to that, the argument that an innocent person had to atone for the guilty. Further, that God approves, and justice is served, by that miscarriage. While more innocents are found guilty because of their innocence (they didn’t know something important, or they failed to act in time).

Similarly, the idea that a God of perfect love would judge people for what they think and believe. - This is a difficulty I meet with in every theistic religion, and even non-theistic, placing Nature or Emptiness in place of any god.

The belief of many that we have to have our physical bodies tuned up and re-delivered. That’s no more reasonable to me than now demanding that we be re-covered in placenta and floated in amniotic fluid. We don’t need our placenta; we won’t need our flesh, blood and bone (or whatever). “Spiritual” bodies have been real enough to NDEers. I don’t recall any of them whining over the “loss” of their physical body; on the contrary, there was relief with some of them that they didn’t have the heavy baggage holding them back any more - as the placenta held back the freedom of the baby.
 
The Supremacy of the Pope, the inclusion of the Fillioque into the creed and the roman Catholic position concerning Muslims.
 
IgnatianPhilo said:
The Supremacy of the Pope, the inclusion of the Fillioque into the creed and the roman Catholic position concerning Muslims.
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Oh, I forgot about this. Yes. Yes, very much. Christians worship a benevolent and merciful God, very much unlike Allah.
 
PJM said:
Dear friend,

Is there one issue in particular that is holding you back from the Catholic Church?

God Bless you,
Patrick
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There are a number of issues, but probably the biggest is the spectacular refusal of the bishops and priests to teach, or model, the Catholic faith to the people. In particular is my RCIA instructor who rejected the Trinity, taught us Muslim prayers (in front of the priest) and said we really have no way of knowing what happened with “the Jesus events” because the records are untrustworthy and were written centuries after those events. He thought there was no way we could know if someone named Jesus ever lived. He is the director of religious instruction. I looked at the parish paper recently and he wrote an article in which he discussed Jesus having demons in him.

I heard a homily once on how to make bread, another on the places in the sanctuary where the bishop anointed the place.

I have repeatedly run into Catholics who know much less about Catholicism than I do, even on CAF, and Catholics who, by their lifestyle, testify that the Church is not to be believed. In our church we have many people who have left the Catholic church and repeatedly say that the reason they left was the lack of teaching. I know a woman who went to parish school with the children of the mafia - everyone knew what the parents did - but it was ok, there was no call for repentance or holy living. One could be a good Catholic and be in the mafia, too. That’s what she grew up with. Another woman I know said what she likes about being a practicing Catholic is that there is a loophole for everything, so you can do whatever you want without ever worrying about sin. This is the testimony of Catholics I know, and CAF is a small voice in a roaring river of this kind of stuff.
 
JonNC said:
Exactly.
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off topic >Tomyris Things are changing slowly in a positive direction. Slowly is a positive word here. I’ve heard two generations slow (from seminarians and a recently ordained priest I know). My specific interaction with an RCIA instructor has been most excellent, he is a married Deacon.👍
 
Tomyris said:
There are a number of issues, but probably the biggest is the spectacular refusal of the bishops and priests to teach, or model, the Catholic faith to the people. In particular is my RCIA instructor who rejected the Trinity, taught us Muslim prayers (in front of the priest) and said we really have no way of knowing what happened with “the Jesus events” because the records are untrustworthy and were written centuries after those events. He thought there was no way we could know if someone named Jesus ever lived. He is the director of religious instruction. I looked at the parish paper recently and he wrote an article in which he discussed Jesus having demons in him.

I heard a homily once on how to make bread, another on the places in the sanctuary where the bishop anointed the place.

I have repeatedly run into Catholics who know much less about Catholicism than I do, even on CAF, and Catholics who, by their lifestyle, testify that the Church is not to be believed. In our church we have many people who have left the Catholic church and repeatedly say that the reason they left was the lack of teaching. I know a woman who went to parish school with the children of the mafia - everyone knew what the parents did - but it was ok, there was no call for repentance or holy living. One could be a good Catholic and be in the mafia, too. That’s what she grew up with. Another woman I know said what she likes about being a practicing Catholic is that there is a loophole for everything, so you can do whatever you want without ever worrying about sin. This is the testimony of Catholics I know, and CAF is a small voice in a roaring river of this kind of stuff.
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I agree with much of what you stated. I have Catholic relatives and friends that echo the " All I have to do is go to confession and ill be forgiven for anything." Confession seems the Catholic “equal” to “once saved always saved” Calvinist belief…yet both beliefs are misunderstood by both adherents to their respective faith traditions.

Catholics don’t “get to do what they want as long as they go to confession” any more than Calvinists " get to do what they want.because" they are eternally secure.

Outside of CAF I haven’t met too many Catholics who are able to speak of their faith as well in “real life”. In the same way I haven’t met too many Calvinists who when truly involved in living a holy life will claim “I can do anything I want now because I’m saved”
 
steido01 said:
Universal immediate jurisdiction is the biggest. Nearly all others I could reason my way through.
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Does that mean you specifically think it has been abused, it is just unbiblical in its essense, or both?

What I mean, is it something you think never was never intended and leads inevitably to misguidance, or you simply fear that it may result in abuse?

Hope that question makes sense.
Michael
 
Me, My Friend, I am Catholic, Baptist, Pentecost, I at our site, have people contact me telling me prophecy and claiming the anti-christ being the Pope, or the catholic church is the false prophets religion! But my response is always this, when they complain about Catholics praying to Mary, or Saint Paul, our Lord told them and us that people would follow their words and doctrine in His name! So in my heart and mind, our Lord would not refuse a prayer in His Mother Mary’s name, while knowing it is He who is the Power behind her! At Adam and Eve seed Gathering Ministry site, the Mystery of God is now finished as He declared through His servants the Prophets Rev:10:7, we bring science and theology together so the Power of His Word/Word creation called Science can now end sorrow/sickness Rev:21:4 as our Lord prophesy would be done this day! On our site at adamandevewordresearch.blogspot.com/ I speak to Science and religion about the now found causes of sickness and aging Through God’s word creation called Science, and is just as our Lord foretold we would find, that the unseen unclean bacterial spirits of the air water and body cause us to age and die prematurely! Respect to all born of Adam/God Deuteronomy 32:8 👍
 
AND ONE MORE THING, Our Lord promised and Prophesy the Gates of hell would come against Peters Church, yet would stand to this day, and I for one proclaim the Catholic Church still being PETERS… Respect:thumbsup:
 
You lose, its a sin, you win and tithe its poetic justice, Ha…🙂
 
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