A Question for Roman Catholics

[PeterK]

WheatBean, et al,

Your question generated some reflections…

Jesus is present in the Eucharist; Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, or in other words - in person. Jesus is a person, one of the three divine Persons of the Trinity. At the consecration, the host transubstantiates into/becomes this Person.

We, you and I, are people, or persons. The un-consecrated host is just substance. While a person has substance, persons have two qualities elevating them beyond mere substance; life and conscientiousness (or life and will). There is no person to replace when the Person of Jesus comes to be in the consecrated host.

However, after we, you and I, receive the Eucharist, we are still who we are, I am still me. Our persons are not replaced, we are not transubstantiated. For example, our souls are not removed from our persons to receive the Soul of Jesus.

So, I guess, my direct answer to your question would be that the consecrated host is completely Jesus Christ in Person and the people, you and I, because we remain who we are, do not become, completely, the Person of Jesus Christ.

We surrender our wills, but our wills don’t cease to exist.
I am transformed, but never transubstantiated.

Hope this helped.

agape,
Peter Kleine

 

[Pillar_of_Cloud]

PeterK:

WheatBean, et al,

Your question generated some reflections…

Jesus is present in the Eucharist; Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, or in other words - in person. Jesus is a person, one of the three divine Persons of the Trinity. At the consecration, the host transubstantiates into/becomes this Person.

We, you and I, are people, or persons. The un-consecrated host is just substance. While a person has substance, persons have two qualities elevating them beyond mere substance; life and conscientiousness (or life and will). There is no person to replace when the Person of Jesus comes to be in the consecrated host.

However, after we, you and I, receive the Eucharist, we are still who we are, I am still me. Our persons are not replaced, we are not transubstantiated. For example, our souls are not removed from our persons to receive the Soul of Jesus.

So, I guess, my direct answer to your question would be that the consecrated host is completely Jesus Christ in Person and the people, you and I, because we remain who we are, do not become, completely, the Person of Jesus Christ.

We surrender our wills, but our wills don’t cease to exist.
I am transformed, but never transubstantiated.

Hope this helped.

agape,
Peter Kleine

That’s a good point…

I mean, we see Jesus in the Eucharist in His Fullness, yet His spirit is present all around us, in our midst. The mystery of God is amazing!

You wanna talk about God in person or God in the Eucharist…try to wrap your mind around Jesus holding up that first loaf of consecrated bread…He was holding HIMSELF in his own hands!
(I can’t take credit for that thought, I saw it elsewhere in the fourms too)

Ultimately though, I think we have to strive to let Jesus live in us as fully as possible, and that means always going to the source–aka the Eucharist, to grow as Christians in the fullest sense of the word, “Little Christs.” Remember now…“You are what you eat.”