A question for the anti-abortionists

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Chris_LaRock said:
That’s actually a myth. The majority of illegal abortions were performed in doctors offices, not back alleys. That is just a lie used to scare people into allowing them to remain legal.
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no, back street abortions DID occur, as did illegal abortions in doctors offices. the amount of them may be exaggerated, but they did happen.
 
Grace_Angel said:
There was nothing selfish or foolish about her. In fact if you opened your heart and mind and stopped being bitter for whatever your reason you would see that these are indeed the words of Jesus “No greater love is there he/she should give his/her life for another” This is what your ousin did. She weighed up the scenario and decided in favour of her child irrespective of how small the odds were. You should be proud that you are related to such a beautiful lady and her equally beauitiful child. Two saints in heaven loving you in the dimension of God.
GraceAngel.
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Unfortunately for those who do not see the beauty in this, tragic as it may be, this will fall on deaf ears.
 
Grace_Angel said:
There was nothing selfish or foolish about her. In fact if you opened your heart and mind and stopped being bitter for whatever your reason you would see that these are indeed the words of Jesus “No greater love is there he/she should give his/her life for another” This is what your ousin did. She weighed up the scenario and decided in favour of her child irrespective of how small the odds were. You should be proud that you are related to such a beautiful lady and her equally beauitiful child. Two saints in heaven loving you in the dimension of God.
GraceAngel.
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do you just read the posts you can wax poetic on?
 
iamme said:
no, back street abortions DID occur, as did illegal abortions in doctors offices. the amount of them may be exaggerated, but they did happen.
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Fine. We all agree they happened. But why should we allow millions of innocent babies to be killed because restricting abortion *might * have unfortunate consequences?

The number of abortions would drastically decline. That is indisputable. And that is most important.
 
Beltany13 said:
Fine. We all agree they happened. But why should we allow millions of innocent babies to be killed because restricting abortion *might *have unfortunate results?

The number of abortions would drastically decline. That is indisputable.
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how would you know that the number of abortions would drastically decline if none are reported? thats the kind of logic that isnt.
 
iamme said:
no, back street abortions DID occur, as did illegal abortions in doctors offices. the amount of them may be exaggerated, but they did happen.
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They still do today. Making it legal didn’t put the butchers out of business. It just made it more profitable.
 
Beltany13 said:
And as you can see by the post below yours, it did.
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seeing as how im the person it happened to, i think my perspective is a bit better than yours. i understand what shes talking about, just look at an earlier post, and you wouldnt make a foolish statement like that. however, it was a foolish decision. she left behind two other children, and a husband, to give birth to a child not meant for this world. they all miss her terribly, and it was a senseless death. i understand why she did it tho, and yeah, it was beautiful and courageous. it doesnt make it any less dumb.
 
Grace_Angel said:
NO Iamme, I just look with different eyes than yours.
Shalom
GA
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i didnt mean to be an ***, i just get tired of people trying to show me the beauty in death.
theres nothing beautiful about it, and ive seen alot of it.
 
iamme said:
i didnt mean to be an ***, i just get tired of people trying to show me the beauty in death.
theres nothing beautiful about it, and ive seen alot of it.
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firstthings.com/onthesquare/?p=1282 Is an article on death, that may be interesting. I was looking for Fr. Neuhaus’ last article that he wrote about being ready for his death that eventually occurred a few days ago. I found this article about his near death experience 9 years ago.
 
iamme said:
i didnt mean to be an ***, i just get tired of people trying to show me the beauty in death.
theres nothing beautiful about it, and ive seen alot of it.
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Iamme today I attended the uneral of a dear friend. He died of cancer. No death is not beautiful, but it is a part of life and we have to accept that that what it is. However, today over 300 people attended my friends funeral and indeed it became a celebration of his life. Today we honoured his being with us and the legacy of 7 children and 39 grandchildren that he leaves behind and are a witness to his having been a part of this earth.
You know the service was beautiful the songs beautiful the words beautiful, but when we lowered him into the ground and as I poured sand over his coffin I felt it wasnt so beautiful.
Iamme the reason I speak as I do about abortion is because of the work that I do (in the area) and my own personal experience and sorrow and regret over a stupid decision which has followed me for 35 years.
I several years ago met and spoke with the netural biological sister of St Gianna Molla (the lady doctor who died because she wouldnt have chemo and abort her baby) and the sister of Gianna (who is a religious Nun) spoke with such serenity about her sisters death. Sadness yes of course but serenity.
Iamme I am sorry to hear to have suffered much but you know its OK not to like it.
Blessings and prayers for you.
GraceAngel.
Ps.you can take me to task when you want to.👍
 
Jehanne_Darc said:
firstthings.com/onthesquare/?p=1282 Is an article on death, that may be interesting. I was looking for Fr. Neuhaus’ last article that he wrote about being ready for his death that eventually occurred a few days ago. I found this article about his near death experience 9 years ago.
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havent read the article yet, but ive died before, and it was odd, to say the least. just a few weeks ago, my best friend in the world, my grandma, died. she was suffering a great deal, and she said on several occasions that she was ready, both to me, and others, but still, they gave her morphine to get her to sleep, so they could take out her feeding tube, and she woke up, and when she realized what they were doing, they told me she got scared, so they gave her more morphine. she never woke up again. so thats what i know as my grandmas last thoughts. she was scared to die.

and grace, thank you for the words.
 
iamme said:
havent read the article yet, but ive died before, and it was odd, to say the least. just a few weeks ago, my best friend in the world, my grandma, died. she was suffering a great deal, and she said on several occasions that she was ready, both to me, and others, but still, they gave her morphine to get her to sleep, so they could take out her feeding tube, and she woke up, and when she realized what they were doing, they told me she got scared, so they gave her more morphine. she never woke up again. so thats what i know as my grandmas last thoughts. she was scared to die.

and grace, thank you for the words.
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You are most welcome dear one.
GraceAngel.
 
iamme said:
right now, abortion is legal, but it hasnt been legal forever. if you were to have your way, criminalizing abortion once more, what do you think the ramifications would be?
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For one thing, with time, people would begin to accept the truth of the matter. The law is a teacher. For good or for ill it is one way people form their conscience. If it is legal it is perceived as just.
remember that “back street” abortions were quite abundant back in the day,
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I have no idea that this is true. In fact, I suspect it is the exact opposite. As the law has allowed for killing children more people are likely to do it.
and that not only could they result in a botched abortion where the baby survived, but was badly harmed, but that the mothers were often severely injured, or even died due to them. knowing that something being illegal doesnt stop it from happening, are you okay with the harm these women and babies would come to if abortion was outlawed once again?
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This is strange moral reasoning. Even accepting this bad premise it would not be right to do evil so that good may come.
 
iamme said:
i didnt mean to be an ***, i just get tired of people trying to show me the beauty in death.
theres nothing beautiful about it, and ive seen alot of it.
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You are not the only one here who has seen quite alot of it. Was anyone calling her death beautiful, or simply heroic?
My dear friend’s mother passed away due to complications with her baby’s delivery. The baby also passed away.
The mother left behind my friend, and her two other sisters. So, yes, she grew up without a mother. She was angry and sad about this as a child, and it caused her much heartache.
But then as she grew and she understood the circumstances surrounding her mother’s death, she also grew in love for her mother. She understood, as an adult, that what her mother did for her now passed away brother, she also would have done for her or her sisters.
She barely knew her mother, yet she finds her still to this day to be such a source of courage and hope. So much so that she named her own daughter after her mother.
Her mother’s death was tragic and heartbreaking, there is no question or debate on that matter.
But her mother made a choice out of love, not fear, and not selfishness. I think I will say a prayer for her mother today - and for your friend, too. And their children.

PS - My sister and her kid weren’t supposed to make it either. Dr. recommended an abortion. My sister said thanks, but no. They took her son early, but only by a few weeks. He’s three now, and he loves Buzz Lightyear. He has a little sister named Lizzie and my sister not only was just fine but she lost her baby weight like TWO WEEKS after she had her boy. Argh! Doctors aren’t that smart. I should know. I married one. 😛
 
iamme said:
havent read the article yet, but ive died before, and it was odd, to say the least. just a few weeks ago, my best friend in the world, my grandma, died. she was suffering a great deal, and she said on several occasions that she was ready, both to me, and others, but still, they gave her morphine to get her to sleep, so they could take out her feeding tube, and she woke up, and when she realized what they were doing, they told me she got scared, so they gave her more morphine. she never woke up again. so thats what i know as my grandmas last thoughts. she was scared to die.

and grace, thank you for the words.
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Oh dear, I’m very sorry. I lost my grammy recently too. 😦
 
iamme said:
there are defects in the womb that can be a risk to the life of the mother,
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Please give me the name of one defect of a child in the womb that poses a real risk to the mother.

This must not be something that can be managed with ordinary modern medical treatment.

I’ll wait…
 
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