A question for the anti-abortionists

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iamme said:
havent read the article yet, but ive died before, and it was odd, to say the least. just a few weeks ago, my best friend in the world, my grandma, died. she was suffering a great deal, and she said on several occasions that she was ready, both to me, and others, but still, they gave her morphine to get her to sleep, so they could take out her feeding tube, and she woke up, and when she realized what they were doing, they told me she got scared, so they gave her more morphine. she never woke up again. so thats what i know as my grandmas last thoughts. she was scared to die.

and grace, thank you for the words.
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I am so very sorry that you had to watch your grandmother suffer like that. That someone decided to kill your grandmother by removing her feeding tube is a horrible thing. It must be very difficult to come to terms with.

Please, seek the counsel of a Priest.
 
iamme said:
right now, abortion is legal, but it hasnt been legal forever. if you were to have your way, criminalizing abortion once more, what do you think the ramifications would be? remember that “back street” abortions were quite abundant back in the day, and that not only could they result in a botched abortion where the baby survived, but was badly harmed, but that the mothers were often severely injured, or even died due to them. knowing that something being illegal doesnt stop it from happening, are you okay with the harm these women and babies would come to if abortion was outlawed once again?
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The ramifications would be the same as they are now. It is up to God to decide a proper punishment not us. I take it that you are pro abortion/pro choice. Explain to me why should we have the right to kill an innocent??? When it was made legal, that was shock to many. Even though it is legal by the country’s standards doesn’t make it legal by God’s standards and violates the 5th Commandment, “Thou shall not kill”. There will always be someone who is willing to go against God and his precepts, but it doesn’t make it right for them to do so. Even though something is legal doesn’t mean that some iilegal can be performed within the legal right as well.
 
iamme said:
well, the doctors performing the abortion would be the only murderers here (i will accept no different opinion) as the pregnant woman doesnt lift a tool to do anything to the fetus.
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Uhm, all people in a murder-for-hire scheme are guilty of murder. The person who contracts for the murder-for-hire is a murderer just as if they pulled the trigger.

me, I am sorry that you are bitter.

But, allowing millions of legal murders to prevent dozens of illegal murders is a false choice.
 
What do I think the ramifications will be ?

What statistical mumbo jumbo do I you want to spin around here to distract from the obvious truth ?

The ONLY ramification I care about is respecting the act of sexuality that creates life through GOD, respecting that GOD given vessel, namely the mother, and doing everything that can be done to support the babe’s birth, life and natural death.

Abortion kills babies, and mothers. Abortions rejects the very gift of life, our sexuality was intended to bring to this world.

Ramifications.

Stop trying to make yourself feel better here. You are supporting killing. 4000 per day at best estimate.
 
iamme said:
right now, abortion is legal, but it hasnt been legal forever. if you were to have your way, criminalizing abortion once more, what do you think the ramifications would be? remember that “back street” abortions were quite abundant back in the day, and that not only could they result in a botched abortion where the baby survived, but was badly harmed, but that the mothers were often severely injured, or even died due to them. knowing that something being illegal doesnt stop it from happening, are you okay with the harm these women and babies would come to if abortion was outlawed once again?
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More women die or suffer medical consequences due to the “safe and legal” abortions that did from the ‘back alley’ ones. That isn’t even counting the number of women who are “damaged” as far as their future fertitilty is concerned or who suffer psychologically.

So yes, I believe that making abortion illegal would save women’s lives and health and I am fine with that. 👍 It would save the lives of millions of children and I am more than fine with that. 👍 👍
 
iamme said:
right now, abortion is legal, but it hasnt been legal forever. if you were to have your way, criminalizing abortion once more, what do you think the ramifications would be? remember that “back street” abortions were quite abundant back in the day, and that not only could they result in a botched abortion where the baby survived, but was badly harmed, but that the mothers were often severely injured, or even died due to them. knowing that something being illegal doesnt stop it from happening, are you okay with the harm these women and babies would come to if abortion was outlawed once again?
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yes, i am okay with a murderer being harmed in the commission of a murder, serves them right. if they werent trying to commit a murder than no victim would be harmed.

if a burglar tried to shoot your father, would you be upset that the burglar accidentally shot himself in the foot while drawig his gun?

all these kind of arguments depend on emotions, not logic, not reason.

pro-child murder positions always boil down to that, emotions and feelings. never to a standard of reason that the rest of our legal system is based on.
 
iamme said:
havent read the article yet, but ive died before, and it was odd, to say the least. just a few weeks ago, my best friend in the world, my grandma, died. she was suffering a great deal, and she said on several occasions that she was ready, both to me, and others, but still, they gave her morphine to get her to sleep, so they could take out her feeding tube, and she woke up, and when she realized what they were doing, they told me she got scared, so they gave her more morphine. she never woke up again. so thats what i know as my grandmas last thoughts. she was scared to die.

and grace, thank you for the words.
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Iamme - this happens on a daily basis to the elderly and infirm.

My stepfather, who was without fancy medical insurance, was put to death by a large dose of morphine after a stroke. The doctors initially tried to remove food and hydration so that he “wouldn’t linger”. That is a direct quote from the doctor. The man had a bleed in the brain that was definately fatal. It is illegal to withhold food and water from animals but yet we as a society feel justified to withhold nutrition from sick human beings who need it most to make their last few hours on earth comfortable. It is a lie to say there is no euthanasia today.

This behavior is a direct result of the abortive mentality so pervasive today. If human lives lives are deemed inconvenient, then they are no longer useful and treated without dignity.

I am sorry for your losses. I can see you are hurting.
 
iamme said:
right now, abortion is legal, but it hasnt been legal forever. if you were to have your way, criminalizing abortion once more, what do you think the ramifications would be? remember that “back street” abortions were quite abundant back in the day, and that not only could they result in a botched abortion where the baby survived, but was badly harmed, but that the mothers were often severely injured, or even died due to them. knowing that something being illegal doesnt stop it from happening, are you okay with the harm these women and babies would come to if abortion was outlawed once again?
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Doesn’t matter if it’s done in the alley or in some abortion office it’s still wrong. Botched abortions happen in abortion offices and the babies are severely injuried. The answer is to educate better and promote abstinence, and to outlaw abortions. Make the penalties severe, and reward those that choose adoption instead.

I’m more concerned with the harm that is done to women and babies while it’s legal.

Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it’s right
 
iamme said:
2009- 4000000000000 abortions reported
2010- abortion made illegal
2011- 0 abortions reported

WOW! we have eliminated it so there is no more abortion! and its so drastic!
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Your ignorance is staggering.
 
Ah, the recurring joy of yet another “Have you stopped beating your wife?” threads.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
mlchance said:
Ah, the recurring joy of yet another “Have you stopped beating your wife?” threads.

– Mark L. Chance.
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So mlchance what would be a threar that would meet with your approval? Or is this toooooooooo hard for you?
GraceAngel
 
Grace_Angel said:
So mlchance what would be a threar that would meet with your approval?
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I’ve not much experience with threars; therefore, I’m uncertain how to reply.
Grace_Angel said:
Or is this toooooooooo hard for you?
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What does “this” refer to? Without a clear antecedent for the demonstrative adjective, your question is vague. Perhaps if you explain yourself more clearly and I bother to come back to this thread, I can offer an answer.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
kage_ar said:
Please give me the name of one defect of a child in the womb that poses a real risk to the mother.

This must not be something that can be managed with ordinary modern medical treatment.

I’ll wait…
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yes, you will.
 
kage_ar said:
I am so very sorry that you had to watch your grandmother suffer like that. That someone decided to kill your grandmother by removing her feeding tube is a horrible thing. It must be very difficult to come to terms with.

Please, seek the counsel of a Priest.
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i am seriously thisclose to unleashing a post filled with censored expletives. not only are you a horrible person, but you have to take youre beliefs and make others feel bad about them because youre not a strong enough person to make them right for your god. if you really loved him, youd work harder, but you dont, so you sit behgind a computer and make cruel remarks while feigning kindness. god has no place in his heart for people like you, i hope.
 
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iamme said:
right now, abortion is legal, but it hasnt been legal forever. if you were to have your way, criminalizing abortion once more, what do you think the ramifications would be? remember that “back street” abortions were quite abundant back in the day, and that not only could they result in a botched abortion where the baby survived, but was badly harmed, but that the mothers were often severely injured, or even died due to them. knowing that something being illegal doesnt stop it from happening, are you okay with the harm these women and babies would come to if abortion was outlawed once again?
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Your premise is false. Back street abortions were not commomn at all. 92% of illegal abortions were perfromed by licensed physicians in a sterile enviorment. Maternal deaths from illegal abortions numbered less than 400 a year. No woman went to jail for procuring an abortion in the two decades before Roe was imposed-the penalty was always aseesed on the dr and rarely involved incarceraton. The only real differeence between now and when abortion were illegal is that the number went from 400,000 a year to over 1.2 million a year,.
 
osteo94 said:
What do I think the ramifications will be ?

What statistical mumbo jumbo do I you want to spin around here to distract from the obvious truth ?

The ONLY ramification I care about is respecting the act of sexuality that creates life through GOD, respecting that GOD given vessel, namely the mother, and doing everything that can be done to support the babe’s birth, life and natural death.

Abortion kills babies, and mothers. Abortions rejects the very gift of life, our sexuality was intended to bring to this world.

Ramifications.

Stop trying to make yourself feel better here. You are supporting killing. 4000 per day at best estimate.
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sexuality?
spoken like someone whos never used theirs.
 
mlchance said:
I’ve not much experience with threars; therefore, I’m uncertain how to reply.

What does “this” refer to? Without a clear antecedent for the demonstrative adjective, your question is vague. Perhaps if you explain yourself more clearly and I bother to come back to this thread, I can offer an answer.

– Mark L. Chance.
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I perhaps ML Chance I dont bother with you. Your superiority is up the nostrils.
GraceAngel.
 
estesbob said:
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Your premise is false. Back street abortions were not commomn at all. 92% of illegal abortions were perfromed by licensed physicians in a sterile enviorment. Maternal deaths from illegal abortions numbered less than 400 a year. No woman went to jail for procuring an abortion in the two decades before Roe was imposed-the penalty was always aseesed on the dr and rarely involved incarceraton. The only real differeence between now and when abortion were illegal is that the number went from 400,000 a year to over 1.2 million a year,.
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the term back street, is a general term used to mean illegal, although there were some performed “back street”…
your numbers dont really hold any water, because when something is illegal, youll never actually know just how much of the illegal activity is going on. you can estimate, or guess, but you cant say “this is a fact” because you dont have all the information. im sure the number rose tho, as with legalization the stigma and shame tends to wear away.
 
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