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Good points.

I think the church traditions that were never in the Roman empire at any point in history have a lot to tell us. Particularly the churches in India and the horn of East Africa.

http://galen-frysinger.com/graphics/ethiopia10.jpg

http://www.orthodoxherald.com/wp-content/uploads/indian-orthodox-church-qurbana.jpg

One never sees, for example, a congregationalist ecclesiology, nor for that matter a non-sacramental one.
Yes, that is true. What church were your photos from?
 
Actually I like the Jedis, big Star Wars fan here. I’m a Jedi, Fellowship of the Ring, Mad Max, Fremen, Starfleet, and Tenktonese (Alien Nation) wannabee LOL!!
And it is still more substantial than those annoying Jedi wannabees!
 
My wife passed by as I was reading this post, saw this guy’s picture and said, “who the heck is that guy!? Crreeeeeepy!” LOL…Gotta say, he is pretty scary-lookin’! He’s like an Ethiopian version of the CandyMan
Good points.

I think the church traditions that were never in the Roman empire at any point in history have a lot to tell us. Particularly the churches in India and the horn of East Africa.

http://galen-frysinger.com/graphics/ethiopia10.jpg

http://www.orthodoxherald.com/wp-content/uploads/indian-orthodox-church-qurbana.jpg

One never sees, for example, a congregationalist ecclesiology, nor for that matter a non-sacramental one.
 
Actually I like the Jedis, big Star Wars fan here. I’m a Jedi, Fellowship of the Ring, Mad Max, Fremen, Starfleet, and Tenktonese (Alien Nation) wannabee LOL!!
I like Star Wars and Star Trek, but I don’t think they compare to the Dune series. If I had to choose what to be, I might be a Fish Speaker. As far as SF goes, I also really like Arthur C Clarke and also the Red/Green/Blue Mars series. I’ve still got to read some of C.S. Lewis SF stuff, maybe one I’ve finished unpacking from our move.
 
Then again you also have to love the Tleilaxu face-dancers and the thought of throwin’ on a little sandtrout 😛 being a member of the Sardukar terror troops would be too tough a gig 😃 Dude, it’s awesome to see a fellow Dune fan. There aren’t many of us around, even fewer who not only loved the entire book series (like me) but who also like the 84 Lynch film! (me again, guilty) 👍 Really I liked the books immensely from Dune through God Emperor of Dune but Heretics and Chapterhouse snoozed yours truly pretty bad.

Ever read the “Dune Encyclopedia?” What a hoot…they’re expensive to get your hands on now. I have a pristine copy and love it…

I forgot to throw on X-Files, Kolchak the Night Stalker and 007! 👍
I like Star Wars and Star Trek, but I don’t think they compare to the Dune series. If I had to choose what to be, I might be a Fish Speaker. As far as SF goes, I also really like Arthur C Clarke and also the Red/Green/Blue Mars series. I’ve still got to read some of C.S. Lewis SF stuff, maybe one I’ve finished unpacking from our move.
 
Then again you also have to love the Tleilaxu face-dancers and the thought of throwin’ on a little sandtrout 😛 being a member of the Sardukar terror troops would be too tough a gig 😃 Dude, it’s awesome to see a fellow Dune fan. There aren’t many of us around, even fewer who not only loved the entire book series (like me) but who also like the 84 Lynch film! (me again, guilty) 👍 Really I liked the books immensely from Dune through God Emperor of Dune but Heretics and Chapterhouse snoozed yours truly pretty bad.

Ever read the “Dune Encyclopedia?” What a hoot…they’re expensive to get your hands on now. I have a pristine copy and love it…

I forgot to throw on X-Files, Kolchak the Night Stalker and 007! 👍
I’m afraid I’m not a dude, I’m a chick;)

I did read the encyclopedia when I was in high school, my local library had it - I looked for a copy without success, but that was before the internet was really available. I liked the David Lynch film although it didn’t do many of the ideas in the book justice; I think it would be almost impossible to do so. But it did have that sense of strangeness that the books had, like you were watching a really foreign culture with all sorts of things going on behind it that you couldn’t quite grasp.

There was a mini-series a few years ago that I had high hopes for, I thought that it might be possible to stay much closer to the book in a mini-series length feature, but it was really awful.
 
Wow wow wee! A chick? Didn’t realize that, blue. Blue-she goat would’ve been better ya know! ;)😛

Yeah, I hear ya with the movie. It was more over-the-top and it tried to make Muad’dib look like an actual messiah, the real deal. The books focused on the idea of living up to the expectations of the Fremen and trying to use that Missionaria Protectiva of the Bene Gesserit to give 'em what they want…a packaged Messiah. Paul plays the part and in the process becomes something ugly, a dictator and drunk with power before he realizes he has to leave it all. He goes through the whole quasi-Islamic jihad experience and living up to what people expect of him, going against his own values. The movie actually makes him look prophetic and the total package. You’re right, big difference. But shoot, ya have to have loved Kenneth McMillin’s Baron Harkonnen!! LOL
I’m afraid I’m not a dude, I’m a chick;)

I did read the encyclopedia when I was in high school, my local library had it - I looked for a copy without success, but that was before the internet was really available. I liked the David Lynch film although it didn’t do many of the ideas in the book justice; I think it would be almost impossible to do so. But it did have that sense of strangeness that the books had, like you were watching a really foreign culture with all sorts of things going on behind it that you couldn’t quite grasp.

There was a mini-series a few years ago that I had high hopes for, I thought that it might be possible to stay much closer to the book in a mini-series length feature, but it was really awful.
 
Yes, that is true. What church were your photos from?
The top one was supposedly a priest of the Ethiopian Orthodox church, the second from Indian Orthodox.
My wife passed by as I was reading this post, saw this guy’s picture and said, “who the heck is that guy!? Crreeeeeepy!” LOL…Gotta say, he is pretty scary-lookin’! He’s like an Ethiopian version of the CandyMan
It seems that way. 😃

Doing a web search for images of Ethiopian Orthodox priests one does get a sense of the earthiness of the Faith, but the piety is also very deep. I think it can also be said that the nation as a whole (and the church) has experienced enormous poverty and all sorts of tribulations but stands as a witness to Christ and His saving power.

We in the more modernized and prosperous world (China is materially far better off than Ethiopia) look pretty good and smell nice most of the time, but we and our priests are too often spiritually and morally inferior to these humble people.

http://z.about.com/d/goafrica/1/0/g/9/lalibelachurchaf.jpg
 
No doubt at all. I’m always blown away at how many Catholic priests around here in our diocese are just rotund, about ready to pop they’re so chubby. It’s like gluttony. And they drive fancy cars, have the cushy life.

The third world is fully of sincere, traditional, more orthodox folks who are happy with little. The priests from the Philippines, my wife’s original homeland, are some of the BEST Catholic priests, very devoted to Mary, they HATE abortion, and they take the call to holiness seriously.

In the Anglican realm it is the “Global South” of third world nations that have had to be missionaries to the decadent West to re-convert them to rational, normal, orthodox Christianity.

The liturgy in so many of these lands like Ethiopia and Egypt and Iraq are so beautiful as well…rich and steeped in tradition, not despoiled by the taint of modernity and trendy folk-band nonsense…
The top one was supposedly a priest of the Ethiopian Orthodox church, the second from Indian Orthodox. It seems that way. 😃

Doing a web search for images of Ethiopian Orthodox priests one does get a sense of the earthiness of the Faith, but the piety is also very deep. I think it can also be said that the nation as a whole (and the church) has experienced enormous poverty and all sorts of tribulations but stands as a witness to Christ and His saving power.

We in the more modernized and prosperous world (China is materially far better off than Ethiopia) look pretty good and smell nice most of the time, but we and our priests are too often spiritually and morally inferior to these humble people.

http://z.about.com/d/goafrica/1/0/g/9/lalibelachurchaf.jpg
 
Good points.

I think the church traditions that were never in the Roman empire at any point in history have a lot to tell us. Particularly the churches in India and the horn of East Africa.

http://galen-frysinger.com/graphics/ethiopia10.jpg

http://www.orthodoxherald.com/wp-content/uploads/indian-orthodox-church-qurbana.jpg

One never sees, for example, a congregationalist ecclesiology, nor for that matter a non-sacramental one.
I was discussing this with my father, who is a heretic who shifts from heresy to heresy almost weekly. I was pointing out to him that I can look up on the internet and see these very ancient Christian rites founded by the apostles and all of them match the orthodox model, that is, a sacramental church with bishops. I would consider the OO, the EO, the ACOE, and the RCC the orthodox churches, because they are in physical unity with each other through the Eucharist, despite a lack of visible union. I know that you would disagree.

These ancient Christian traditions only serve to confirm that things like the Reformed Church, Lutheranism, and most especially mainstream American Evangelical Protestantism are not in line with what the apostles taught.

Look at a typical parish offering the Pauline Mass and the apostolic feeling is nowhere to be found. It’s definitely present in a reverent OF parish and the EF parishes. The Mass of Ages, the Divine Liturgy, the Qurbana - all of these are the same. The incense, the vestments, the altar, the Eucharist, the priest, the sacrifice offered towards God the Father - Protestantism and newer forms of Christianity lack all of these.

It is most regrettable that the West, long a bastion of orthodoxy against Eastern heresies succumbed in great number to her own more deadly ones - sola scriptura, which fragmented Western Christianity beyond repair.
 
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