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Randy_Carson
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There’s the problem.
Kevan does not consider Catholicism - or you - to be Christian at all.
You worship Mary and the Pope, and Rome is the Whore of Babylon.
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Kevan does not consider Catholicism - or you - to be Christian at all.
You worship Mary and the Pope, and Rome is the Whore of Babylon.
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Kevan
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Don’t you remember that God himself inveighed against those who practiced the religion he had given them, but whose hearts were not devoted to him? Do you think that God is impressed when 99% of a nation has been baptized and 80% of them don’t even attend church? If such a person thinks his religion is enough to gain him entrance into heaven, it has made his situation worse than before.
And are you so blinded by zeal to discredit your opposition that you cannot read my plain words “that standard applies to evangelicals as well as to Catholics”?
Jmcrae, you have cited RCIA in response to my statements about the conversion of South and Central America. They didn’t use RCIA back then.
Kaycee, you repeated an unjustified interpretation of my words, even though I showed Randy his error when he committed the same offense. You said that my words strongly implied that Catholics don’t win souls, even though I specifically stated that they do.
What I have written is altogether true. What do you gain by twisting my words and attacking their hidden meaning? Are you incapable of meeting the arguments themselves?
And are you so blinded by zeal to discredit your opposition that you cannot read my plain words “that standard applies to evangelicals as well as to Catholics”?
Jmcrae, you have cited RCIA in response to my statements about the conversion of South and Central America. They didn’t use RCIA back then.
Kaycee, you repeated an unjustified interpretation of my words, even though I showed Randy his error when he committed the same offense. You said that my words strongly implied that Catholics don’t win souls, even though I specifically stated that they do.
What I have written is altogether true. What do you gain by twisting my words and attacking their hidden meaning? Are you incapable of meeting the arguments themselves?
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Randy_Carson
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Kay_Cee
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Now you’re twisting what I said.
I said that your words (those in post 94) strongly implied such. I could, in other words, see why Randy interpreted them so. Later you came back and said that is not what you meant. I wasn’t responding to your later statement but to the earlier one.
I would have thought that was obvious by the fact that I paraphrased your words in post 94. I showed how a Protestant could come to the same interpretation if what you said (again, in post 94) was changed to be speaking about Protestantism.
BTW, I don’t appreciate you attacking me when I defended you by stating that you did not flat out say what Randy said you did. I was the one giving you the benefit of the doubt, yet you come back and say I repeated an unjust interpretation of your words. Actually, what I was doing was showing how someone could have come to that interpretation.
P.S. I too would like to see your answer to Randy’s question posted above.
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jmcrae
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Why are you simply assuming that all Catholics lack devotion to Christ? This is very insulting.
Don’t you think that Catholics know that? In fact, that is the very purpose of Forums and web sites like this one - to rekindle the zeal of Catholics, and re-educate them in their faith.
By the way, a huge proportion of that 80% who don’t go to Church after baptism are “once saved, always saved” Protestants. They don’t have to go to Church, or do any other “works of man” either.
Yes, they did. RCIA (which has been in use in various forms since Apostolic times - back then, though, the process took seven years) stopped being used (in favour of private instructions from a priest) some time after the Council of Trent - although it did continue to be used (under the name “Inquiry Classes”) when there were large groups of Catechumens (such as the nine million Aztecs in and near Mexico City who converted between 1531 and 1540 on the testimony of Juan Diego).
The RCIA once again became the preferred method of evangelization after Vatican II.
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kujo313
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Those back then who was practicing religion thought they was pleasing God.
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jmcrae
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They were.
It was the ones who weren’t practicing their religion, or who were picking and choosing among which parts they wanted to follow and which parts they wanted to ignore, who were displeasing to God.
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kujo313
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kujo313
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That’s because the catholic church is going the wrong way. Part is right, part is wrong. It’s like mixing dog poop in with cookie dough. Pull it out of the finished cookies and I still won’t try ANY of the cookies.
Go check your cookies. You’re in a bad batch.
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jmcrae
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Eastern Orthodox are in schism from the RCC. I don’t know what the “tCC” is but it’s probably also a schismatic group. No different than the Protestants.
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jmcrae
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Speak for yourself - we’re not the ones subtracting books from the Bible, and reviving every heretical doctrine there ever was.
The Catholic Church is Christ’s Church - everything else is just a wanna-be.
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Randy_Carson
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Those who rejected the authority of the only Church founded by Jesus Christ in the 16th century thought they “was” (sic) pleasing God, too.
They isn’t. :tiphat:
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kujo313
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It’s still not “RCC vs. the rest”, it’s “Christians vs. non-Christians”
Is Jesus your Saviour or your Judge?
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Randy_Carson
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But how can this be?
All of these people claim to follow the “Bible Alone” and all swear up and down that the Bible is perfectly perspicuous and self-interpreting.
How on Earth could some of them have wandered “waaaaaaay out of it while other are more strictly Biblical”?
And could it be that even these latter groups are still off base in some things?
Finally, would it be correct to assume that your particular faith community is not one of those that is off track in any way whatsoever?
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kujo313
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Actually, your adding onto the Bible and making it say what it doesn’t say. Where I go to, we’re from the Bible and do not go against it nor do we add on to it.Speak for yourself - we’re not the ones subtracting books from the Bible, and reviving every heretical doctrine there ever was.
The Catholic Church is Christ’s Church - everything else is just a wanna-be.
If your “traditions” do not line up with the Word, it’s adding. You cannot authenticate your “traditions” but if they do not line up with the Word, it is false.
One “heretical doctrine” that comes to mind is Isis, who looks alot like your “mother”. Isis existed first.
IF the catholic church is Christ’s Church, then just as Israel sinned against God, there was plagues and death. Only this time, it’s eternal.
Repent. Go find a congregation, not necessarily a religion or denomination, that preaches the Gospel from the Word and not just some words from a guy from the 2nd century who cannot be refuted because he is no longer around to defend his words.
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Randy_Carson
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I’m starting to notice a pattern…you dodge our questions very frequently…
The “I won’t dignify your question with an answer” ruse is wearing thin…
If you’re not here to engage in serious discussion, then stop wasting our time.
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Randy_Carson
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What about them? These groups are not in communion with the Vicar of Christ, the Successor of Peter…what are they to us?
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kujo313
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Obviously, the Jehovah’s Witness and Muslims are part of those who are waaaaay out there. With a little research, both you and I could find more even further out there.
The particular “faith community” that I belong to has its eyes on the “finish line”. If we, as a congregation or individuals, should stumble and fall, we get back up and continue the “race”; keeping our eyes on the “finish line”.
Does yours look at the scenery as they run? No sprinter or marathon runner ever does that.
“What about (any Bible character other than Jesus)? What about him/her?”
THAT is not looking to the finish. You need spiritual “blinders” on.
To me, it doesn’t matter if Mary remained a virgin or not. She was a fulfilled prophecy. It doesn’t matter to me what happened to Joseph. Scripture tells me all I need to know about him.
All the world needs to know is within the covers of the Holy Bible. If there was no other writings or oral “traditions”, there is still enough to do God’s Will and get to Heaven.
Outside of that, is the “traditions of men”, who was born with a sin nature and need a Savior, just like everybody else.
All means all.
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jmcrae
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Just as long as it’s anything but Catholic, right?
(The Catholic Church reads from the Gospels along with the rest of the Scriptures every day of the week. So far, I haven’t seen any Protestant churches that do that.)
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Randy_Carson
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