A question regarding receiving the Eucharist and penance...?

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Suppose I am in the state of mortal sin. I confess and truly repent silently to God but don’t actually receive the sacrament of penance. Am I now in a state of grace and therefore allowed to receive the Eucharist? Why or why not?
 
Suppose I am in the state of mortal sin. I confess and truly repent silently to God but don’t actually receive the sacrament of penance. Am I now in a state of grace and therefore allowed to receive the Eucharist? Why or why not?
One must make an act of perfect contrition to be forgiven of a mortal sin outside of the Sacrament of Confession. But, there is really no way of knowing if you’ve made one or not and so you cannot know if you are back in a state of grace or not. Also, any act of perfect contrition always includes the resolve to go to Confession ASAP.
 
One must make an act of perfect contrition to be forgiven of a mortal sin outside of the Sacrament of Confession. But, there is really no way of knowing if you’ve made one or not and so you cannot know if you are back in a state of grace or not. Also, any act of perfect contrition always includes the resolve to go to Confession ASAP.
This is not my understanding although I admit I am new in the church. But the way the priest presented it to me was that you are in a state of mortal sin until the priest absolves you of your sin at the Sacrament of Confession and that therefore you cannot receive the Eucharist until then.
 
This is not my understanding although I admit I am new in the church. But the way the priest presented it to me was that you are in a state of mortal sin until the priest absolves you of your sin at the Sacrament of Confession and that therefore you cannot receive the Eucharist until then.
The Sacrament of Confession is the ordinary way for the forgiving of post-baptismal mortal sin. There are, however, extraordinary ways, such as an act of perfect contrition or general absolution. But, one cannot reasonably rely on these (there is no way you can guarantee you can muster perfect contrition on cue [or ever in your life]) and one should avail oneself to frequent Confession (which also greatly helps in avoiding future mortal sins).
 
From the Catechism:

Contrition

1451 Among the penitent’s acts contrition occupies first place. Contrition is "sorrow of the soul and detestation for the sin committed, together with the resolution not to sin again."50

1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called “perfect” (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.(Cf. Council of Trent (1551): DS 1677.)

1453 The contrition called “imperfect” (or “attrition”) is also a gift of God, a prompting of the Holy Spirit. It is born of the consideration of sin’s ugliness or the fear of eternal damnation and the other penalties threatening the sinner (contrition of fear). Such a stirring of conscience can initiate an interior process which, under the prompting of grace, will be brought to completion by sacramental absolution. By itself however, imperfect contrition cannot obtain the forgiveness of grave sins, but it disposes one to obtain forgiveness in the sacrament of Penance.(Cf. Council of Trent (1551): DS 1678; 1705.)
 
Go to confession before you receive the Eucharist. Otherwise you risk committing the sin of sacrilige and nothing is worth offending God in that way.
 
Suppose I am in the state of mortal sin. I confess and truly repent silently to God but don’t actually receive the sacrament of penance. Am I now in a state of grace and therefore allowed to receive the Eucharist? Why or why not?
Here’s the issue: if one is truly repentant, he would want to go to the sacrament of confession. So rejection of the sacrament likewise means an absence of complete sorrow for the sin. It’s taking God’s mercy for granted rather than using the means that Christ Himself gave us for forgiveness. We can’t be in a state of Grace if we are at the same time rejecting Christ’s gift to us, which is the Sacrament.

At the same time, not only do we need forgiveness of God, but we also need to be reconciled to the Church (and in many ways, those 2 are the same as the Church is the Body of Christ). That’s why we have to be absolved in the Sacrament.

Forgiveness reconciles us to God. Absolution reconciles us to the Church. The Sacrament of Confession/Reconciliation is the only way that we receive both (the two sides of the one coin).

So, the bottom line is: No, after a mortal sin, we cannot receive Communion until we have been to confession and been forgiven & absolved through the ministry of the priest.
 
Here’s the issue: if one is truly repentant, he would want to go to the sacrament of confession. So rejection of the sacrament likewise means an absence of complete sorrow for the sin. It’s taking God’s mercy for granted rather than using the means that Christ Himself gave us for forgiveness. We can’t be in a state of Grace if we are at the same time rejecting Christ’s gift to us, which is the Sacrament.

At the same time, not only do we need forgiveness of God, but we also need to be reconciled to the Church (and in many ways, those 2 are the same as the Church is the Body of Christ). That’s why we have to be absolved in the Sacrament.

Forgiveness reconciles us to God. Absolution reconciles us to the Church. The Sacrament of Confession/Reconciliation is the only way that we receive both (the two sides of the one coin).

So, the bottom line is: No, after a mortal sin, we cannot receive Communion until we have been to confession and been forgiven & absolved through the ministry of the priest.
Isn’t it a bit more complicated than that? Dire cases? Approaching death?

Anyway, while I agree that you need to go to confession first under ordinary conditions, In 50 years I’ve yet to meet a priest that would say that God would turn down true repentance, especially in a dire situation. Perfection for a human is impossible. Therefore there is no such thing as a perfect act of contrition. The fear of eternal punishment is always there. Even if only as an infinitely small piece of the act of contrition. While certainly not an act of repentance, even Jesus feared the cup he would take on Good Friday. If God in the human form fears, there is no way that we don’t have at least some iota of fear when asking for forgiveness.
 
Isn’t it a bit more complicated than that? Dire cases? Approaching death?
Both yes and no. The situation has to be extreme indeed for one to have the opportunity to receive Communion, yet not have the opportunity for Confession (even its minimum form). While it’s possible, it’s also very very unlikely–for the simple fact that there has to be a priest available or else there would be no Eucharist to receive.

In danger of death, the priest would first absolve then administer Communion.

The reason I did not address the issues of “dire cases” or “approaching death” was simply because they didn’t seem relevant to the original question itself, taken in context. Certainly, we could discuss that topic, but I did not get the impression that this was what the OP was asking about.
Anyway, while I agree that you need to go to confession first under ordinary conditions, In 50 years I’ve yet to meet a priest that would say that God would turn down true repentance, especially in a dire situation. Perfection for a human is impossible. Therefore there is no such thing as a perfect act of contrition. The fear of eternal punishment is always there. Even if only as an infinitely small piece of the act of contrition. While certainly not an act of repentance, even Jesus feared the cup he would take on Good Friday. If God in the human form fears, there is no way that we don’t have at least some iota of fear when asking for forgiveness.
I haven’t said anything that would indicate that God would “turn down” repentance. But the point that needs to be made here is that sincere repentence includes a desire for forgiveness&absolution in the Sacrament. So, if one is rejecting (or feels he is not in need of) the Sacrament, then true repentance isn’t there to begin with. The Sacrament of Confession “makes up for” what is lacking in our own imperfect human contrition; so we are forgiven&absolved in-spite-of our less than perfect contrition by the Graces of the Sacrament. We cannot say that one can be repentant and yet at the same time reject or even disregard the need for absolution.
 
I haven’t said anything that would indicate that God would “turn down” repentance. But the point that needs to be made here is that sincere repentence includes a desire for forgiveness&absolution in the Sacrament. So, if one is rejecting (or feels he is not in need of) the Sacrament, then true repentance isn’t there to begin with. The Sacrament of Confession “makes up for” what is lacking in our own imperfect human contrition; so we are forgiven&absolved in-spite-of our less than perfect contrition by the Graces of the Sacrament. We cannot say that one can be repentant and yet at the same time reject or even disregard the need for absolution.
We are in agreement regarding receiving the Eucharist. (of course I’m not a priest) 🙂

I just can’t imagine that God would turn down true repentance. My argument is that perfect contrition is nearly impossible. I believe that we are forgiven and back in the state of grace through sincere repentance. Of course to be truly repentant one would have to have the intent of receiving the sacrament from a priest. 😃
 
Therefore there is no such thing as a perfect act of contrition. The fear of eternal punishment is always there.
CCC 1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called “perfect” (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.

To me it sounds as if “perfect contrition” is not so impossible as you make it out to be. Uncommon, yes; but still reachable by mere mortals.
 
CCC 1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called “perfect” (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.

To me it sounds as if “perfect contrition” is not so impossible as you make it out to be. Uncommon, yes; but still reachable by mere mortals.
Thank you!! I stand corrected. But it shouldn’t be uncommon. We should be able to ask for God’s forgiveness, with the intent of seeking absolution through the Sacrament of Reconciliation. I guess what I was thinking is that “perfect contrition” excludes the idea of the fear of eternal damnation. Perhaps I was wrong. There is no way that a repentant Christian doesn’t fear eternal damnation. You’ve made it clear that the utmost reason for repentance has to be for love of God. We agree. Again though, the fear is still there and always a part of repentance. Jesus made it clear we are to fear eternal damnation. Better to chop off your hand…
 
CCC 1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called “perfect” (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.

To me it sounds as if “perfect contrition” is not so impossible as you make it out to be. Uncommon, yes; but still reachable by mere mortals.
The vocabulary here can be a bit confusing. “Perfect contrition” is as the catechism describes it. However, the word “perfect” cannot be literally applied to anything we as human beings do, because we are finite beings. The point is that we don’t take the word “perfect” in the term to mean “literally perfect.”
 
We are in agreement regarding receiving the Eucharist. (of course I’m not a priest) 🙂

I just can’t imagine that God would turn down true repentance. My argument is that perfect contrition is nearly impossible. I believe that we are forgiven and back in the state of grace through sincere repentance. Of course to be truly repentant one would have to have the intent of receiving the sacrament from a priest. 😃
Now I’m confused. That’s twice that you’ve said that God would not turn down true repentance. No one’s saying anything to the contrary. I think there’s a good point here that you’re trying to make, but I just don’t see it. It seems to me that you see some conflict in what I’ve posted between the idea of God accepting true repentance, and what I’ve said in the posts. Please explain because it has me puzzled.
 
From the Catechism:

Contrition

1451 Among the penitent’s acts contrition occupies first place. Contrition is "sorrow of the soul and detestation for the sin committed, together with the resolution not to sin again."50

1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called “perfect” (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.(Cf. Council of Trent (1551): DS 1677.)

1453 The contrition called “imperfect” (or “attrition”) is also a gift of God, a prompting of the Holy Spirit. It is born of the consideration of sin’s ugliness or the fear of eternal damnation and the other penalties threatening the sinner (contrition of fear). Such a stirring of conscience can initiate an interior process which, under the prompting of grace, will be brought to completion by sacramental absolution. By itself however, imperfect contrition cannot obtain the forgiveness of grave sins, but it disposes one to obtain forgiveness in the sacrament of Penance.(Cf. Council of Trent (1551): DS 1678; 1705.)
The actual wording Trent uses is “although it **sometimes happen **that this contrition is perfect through charity, and reconciles man with God before this sacrament be actually received, the said reconciliation, nevertheless, is not to be ascribed to that contrition, independently of the desire of the sacrament which is included therein.”

Personally I would not like to rely upon my judgement that my my contrition was perfect and that my resolve and desire to go to confession is complete. These kinds of extraordinary means are fallback positions in case of early death before we can reach the sacraments themselves. (In my view). The council of Trent says that it only “sometimes” happens that our contrition is perfect.

The other thing is that we really don’t have to receive the Sacrament of the Eucharist every week. It is perfectly acceptable to not receive the sacrament if we do not feel prepared or are distracted in some way. Catholics are only obliged to receive the Sacrament once per year. Therefore my personal preference is to avoid committing sacrilege at all costs and wait until I had fostered an excellent contrition and then said confession before rushing to receive the Eucharist. I am not talking about delaying reconciliation with the church, but I am talking about being deliberate about it and not rushing through it all ritualistically.
 
the Eucharist and Confession and Sin all affects two same things

when we Sin, we damage our relationship with God and with the Church
when we Confess, we repair the damage of our relationship with God and the Church
when we receive Communion, we become one with God and with the Church

so unless you confess your sins and repair your relationship with BOTH God and His Church, your communion with God and the Church is not perfect
 
The line of reasoning that says that the Lord will accept the repentance of someone who is contrite but cannot confess would also say that the Lord will accept the desire for communion with Him of someone who refrains from Eucharist because he or she is not properly disposed. If the reason for not receiving is obedience to the Church’s teaching on what are and are not the proper conditions, then a spiritual communion will have to suffice, right along with the spiritual confession. There is no reason to doubt that it would.
 
Now I’m confused. That’s twice that you’ve said that God would not turn down true repentance. No one’s saying anything to the contrary. I think there’s a good point here that you’re trying to make, but I just don’t see it. It seems to me that you see some conflict in what I’ve posted between the idea of God accepting true repentance, and what I’ve said in the posts. Please explain because it has me puzzled.
I think we’re in agreement here. Maybe I’m tired after the shifts I’m working. We agree. True repentance is accepted by God even before the Sacrament of Reconciliation. I guess I’m thinking about a Catholic Channel discussion where I believe Lino Ruilli was talking about getting on a plane and not being sure of being in a state of grace. As a faithful Christian, if death is near and we have sinned mortally and not been able to get to confession, then repentance will probably involve quite a bit of fear if the plane is going to crash. But, I believe that God would know that we are truly sorry, even though a “perfect act of contrition” may not be humanly possible at that moment.

The second point is that in an ordinary situation, once sorry for a serious sin, God accepts our repentance and forgives us. We still have to receive absolution through the church before receiving the Eucharist thought.

Does that make any more sense, or am I still rambling? 🙂

The bottom line is I think we are in total agreement. And since you are a priest, I would have to consider you far more learned on the subject anyway. 🙂

Off to Mass!
 
Suppose I am in the state of mortal sin. I confess and truly repent silently to God but don’t actually receive the sacrament of penance. Am I now in a state of grace and therefore allowed to receive the Eucharist? Why or why not?
My understanding is that you cannot be absolved from mortal sin except through the intercession of a priest in Confession and therefore you cannot receive the Eucharist; if you attempt to receive the Eucharist in a state of mortal sin you are committing sacrilige.
 
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