A question regarding sin - from another place and time

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Are there are sins, while not being mortal sins, that are not forgiven during the penitential rite of the mass??

I am watching a very frustrating thread on another board where someone, who has very traditional leanings, implies there are but then backs away from this when confronted about inserting a 3rd category of sin.

Thanks for the help.
 
Just_1_hr_a_wk said:
Are there are sins, while not being mortal sins, that are not forgiven during the penitential rite of the mass??

I am watching a very frustrating thread on another board where someone, who has very traditional leanings, implies there are but then backs away from this when confronted about inserting a 3rd category of sin.

Thanks for the help.
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As far as I know, there are only two types of sin: those that are mortal and those that aren’t. I suppose that habitual venial sins can creep into the category of sins that are mortal in nature, but maybe not “mortal” in an of themselves. For instance, cussing someone out in traffic probably isn’t mortal, if it’s only done once. If it’s done habitually, and leads to a coarsening of attitude towards others, then that’s probably different.

But I wouldn’t call that a 3rd category of sin.
 
Ben is correct, there are only two types of sins. Mortal sins, which can only be forgiven during the sacrament of penance and venial sins which can be forgiven through the penitential rite or by the Eucharist.

If someone believes there is a third type of sin they are welcome to prove it.

Have a blessed Christmas.
 
the only 3rd category I can think of is the sin you are not sorry for and have no intention of stopping, and that is not forgiven in any case, during Mass or in confession, mortal or venial.
 
puzzleannie said:
the only 3rd category I can think of is the sin you are not sorry for and have no intention of stopping, and that is not forgiven in any case, during Mass or in confession, mortal or venial.
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But that is not an official Catholic category.
 
This is a total guess but could “grave” sins be classed as a third category?

As I said, this is a guess based on the fact that the Catechism describes many sins a gravely disordered etc.
 
Dempsey1919 said:
This is a total guess but could “grave” sins be classed as a third category?

As I said, this is a guess based on the fact that the Catechism describes many sins a gravely disordered etc.
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AKA mortal sins?
 
CB_Catholic said:
Would Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit be a third category?
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well excuse me
since OP says he is not sure what his source is refering to as “types of sin” we are all offering guesses. my suggestion is go back to your source and ask them what they are talking about and ask for an authorotative citation.
 
puzzleannie said:
well excuse me
since OP says he is not sure what his source is refering to as “types of sin” we are all offering guesses. my suggestion is go back to your source and ask them what they are talking about and ask for an authorotative citation.
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Perhaps I can shed some light on this,since I am the OP she is talking about here. First of all, I never stated that there are 3 types of sin. We learned from the first grade and the old Baltimore Catechism that there are two. The entire discussion began when I stated that I felt that all practicing Catholics should partake in the Sacrament of Confession at least once a year. I was immediately jumped on, by those stating that this was not true, unless you had committed a mortal sin. I produced the precept concerning this from my sources and they produced the precept proving their point with their sources. This is the one I produced:

2042 …
The second precept (“You shall confess your sins at least once a year.”) ensures preparation for the Eucharist by the reception of the sacrament of reconciliation, which continues Baptism’s work of conversion and forgiveness.

My source did not contain a modifier for sin. I merely stated that when I examine my conscience, I determine, for myself, what I have done and what I have failed to do, I used the example of stealing a dime from a poor woman compared to stealing a dime from a billionaire. I considered the former to be a grave sin. And all of a sudden, in their eyes, I made up a new category of sin.

Further, we read this in the Catechism:

1854 Sins are rightly evaluated according to their gravity.

There is no modifier there, either. I read this to say that ALL sins are evaluated as to their gravity.

That was my contention; nothing more.

Richard
 
The discussion included other things LIKE the issue of venial sins being forgiven at mass.

If venial sins are forgiven at mass then that only leave mortal sins - which was never acknowledged the original poster.
 
so why don’t you two discuss this via PM rather than starting a new thread since it seems the original poster did a good job of explaining her point of view, this discussion is a waste of time. If you want to bring third parties into a dispute that began on another thread you had better give a clue, and introduce or break off what is genuinely a new topic from that thread. Is there some reason the entire topic is not on liturgy and sacraments?
 
puzzleannie said:
so why don’t you two discuss this via PM rather than starting a new thread since it seems the original poster did a good job of explaining her point of view, this discussion is a waste of time. If you want to bring third parties into a dispute that began on another thread you had better give a clue, and introduce or break off what is genuinely a new topic from that thread. Is there some reason the entire topic is not on liturgy and sacraments?
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I am finished with it.
 
My point was to get information from untainted sources given the state of things from that discussion.

It is nice to see some positive changes in the comments here to be more in line with the Church.
 
puzzleannie said:
so why don’t you two discuss this via PM rather than starting a new thread since it seems the original poster did a good job of explaining her point of view, this discussion is a waste of time. If you want to bring third parties into a dispute that began on another thread you had better give a clue, and introduce or break off what is genuinely a new topic from that thread. Is there some reason the entire topic is not on liturgy and sacraments?
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I have also asked on Liturgy and Sacraments but the poster in question has a traditional leaning so thought there was some insight to gain here.
 
Dempsey1919 said:
This is a total guess but could “grave” sins be classed as a third category?

As I said, this is a guess based on the fact that the Catechism describes many sins a gravely disordered etc.
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A grave sin is a component of a mortal sin. For a sin to be mortal, that is to bring spiritual death to the soul, there must be three things present:

The sin must be serious or “grave”.
The person must have time to consider this fact, even if only in passing.
The person makes a conscious decision to commit it.

So for a sin to be mortal, it must first be grave. So not, this is not a third category.
 
Seems the thread has gotten some folks thinking and that is always a good thing.
 
rpp said:
A grave sin is a component of a mortal sin. For a sin to be mortal, that is to bring spiritual death to the soul, there must be three things present:

The sin must be serious or “grave”.
The person must have time to consider this fact, even if only in passing.
The person makes a conscious decision to commit it.

So for a sin to be mortal, it must first be grave. So not, this is not a third category.
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And, you would have no disagreement with me on that score.
 
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