A Question To Eastern Catholics From A Roman Catholic

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crystal_waters

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Hi everybody…

I was just wondering how christmas is celebrated by eastern catholics? Do you have midnight mass and christmas day mass…?

What do you eat on christmas day?

Are there any traditions you follow each year?
 
Each Eastern Catholic Church has its own tradition. There are Byzantine Catholics, Syro-Malabar Catholics, Maronite Catholics, etc. Varying traditions. You have to be more specific.
 
crystal waters - Regarding traditional Christmas food, that varies culturally - the Polish tradition is to serve up fish, namely carp with the Christmas main meal. Here in the UK it was goose or a capon, although turkey has overtaken these post-WWII.
 
Each Eastern Catholic Church has its own tradition. There are Byzantine Catholics, Syro-Malabar Catholics, Maronite Catholics, etc. Varying traditions. You have to be more specific.
It was a perfectly understandable question. Perhaps we could just let members of each of the Eastern Churches represented here answer. If he gets numerous different answers from different churches, isn’t the same purpose of educating him fulfilled, without making the poster feel inadequate and inferior?

In the Byzantine Rite, we celebrate Vespers combined with the Divine Liturgy of St. Basil the Great on Christmas Eve. Great Compline is celebrated late in the evening, as well as Matins at some point. The Christmas Day Liturgy is the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrystostom. The timing of the services can vary greatly, depending upon local needs. My parish will celebrate Vespers/St. Basil the Great in the afternoon. Great Compline will be in the evening, perhaps followed by Matins. We likely won’t do Matins, though. The liturgy of St. John Chrystostom will be celebrated on Christmas morning, around 10:00 am. We’re still waiting on our priest to firm up the schedule. 🙂

Christmas Eve is a day of strict fast, during which traditionally no food is eaten until the first star can be seen. We have the tradition of a Holy Supper, which is observed by many Eastern Europeans, east and west. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Supper.
 
It was a perfectly understandable question. Perhaps we could just let members of each of the Eastern Churches represented here answer. If he gets numerous different answers from different churches, isn’t the same purpose of educating him fulfilled, without making the poster feel inadequate and inferior?

In the Byzantine Rite, we celebrate Vespers combined with the Divine Liturgy of St. Basil the Great on Christmas Eve. Great Compline is celebrated late in the evening, as well as Matins at some point. The Christmas Day Liturgy is the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrystostom. The timing of the services can vary greatly, depending upon local needs. My parish will celebrate Vespers/St. Basil the Great in the afternoon. Great Compline will be in the evening, perhaps followed by Matins. We likely won’t do Matins, though. The liturgy of St. John Chrystostom will be celebrated on Christmas morning, around 10:00 am. We’re still waiting on our priest to firm up the schedule. 🙂

Christmas Eve is a day of strict fast, during which traditionally no food is eaten until the first star can be seen. We have the tradition of a Holy Supper, which is observed by many Eastern Europeans, east and west. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Supper.
I was in no way attempting to make him feel inferior, and I apologize if I did. Mea culpa. I was just simply reminding him that there are many Eastern Catholic Churches, each with its own traditions. 🙂
 
There is a mix of Julian and Gregorian calendars adopted by Eastern Catholics, including (I was told, sometimes within the same eparchy). So, it can be confusing.

Some further questions:

1 (to all Rites) Is the liturgy the same as a normal Sunday liturgy as in the Roman Rite?

2 (specifically for Armenian Catholics) Do Armenian Catholics celebrate Christmas on Epiphany Day as do Armenian Orthodox? If they do, how do they calculate Epiphany being 12 days after Christmas if they celebrate Christmas on Epiphany Day?
 
There is a mix of Julian and Gregorian calendars adopted by Eastern Catholics, including (I was told, sometimes within the same eparchy). So, it can be confusing.

Some further questions:

1 (to all Rites) Is the liturgy the same as a normal Sunday liturgy as in the Roman Rite?

2 (specifically for Armenian Catholics) Do Armenian Catholics celebrate Christmas on Epiphany Day as do Armenian Orthodox? If they do, how do they calculate Epiphany being 12 days after Christmas if they celebrate Christmas on Epiphany Day?
When a parish is still on the Julian Calendar, liturgically, the secular date 7 January is the liturgical 25 December, and so Epiphany (jan 6, aka 12th Night) becomes the 19th on the secular calendar. Likewise, all other feasts are ALSO shifted 13 days.

Now, that said, some parishes are on the “Revised Julian” - which is to say, except for Easter, they’re on the Gregorian.

Further, the Christmas liturgy isn’t exactly “normal” - it’s got a load of propers, and in fuller formats, combines more hours and an all-night vigil. In other words, it’s a major festal liturgy.
 
Further, the Christmas liturgy isn’t exactly “normal” - it’s got a load of propers, and in fuller formats, combines more hours and an all-night vigil. In other words, it’s a major festal liturgy.
Same for Latin Rite, but the vigil is separate from the day mass. In fact, we have four different masses for Christmas - Vigil, Midnight, Dawn, Day masses. But they are all structured the same as in the Sunday mass, with the optional addition of the blessing of the crib. Last night’s midnight mass lasted 1hr 15 mins, 15 mins longer than normal because of the number of people.

Ruthenian is structurally different from Sunday mass, other than having its own proper?
 
Further, the Christmas liturgy isn’t exactly “normal” - it’s got a load of propers, and in fuller formats, combines more hours and an all-night vigil. In other words, it’s a major festal liturgy.
This, other than dates, is the same in Latin rite. The only
differences I really see between our little Latin Rite church here and
the Melkites previously is in fasting at Pre Nativity. Latins don’t fast as
heavily or stringently or frequently as Melkites anyway so hardly
surprising it’s missing in Christmas. Which again IS a real difference in
Lent. Melkites fast from Divine Liturgy whereas Latin would never “fast”
from Mass. From my point of view everyone should feel free to “cross over”
so to speak at times.
 
This, other than dates, is the same in Latin rite. The only
differences I really see between our little Latin Rite church here and
the Melkites previously is in fasting at Pre Nativity. Latins don’t fast as
heavily or stringently or frequently as Melkites anyway so hardly
surprising it’s missing in Christmas. Which again IS a real difference in
Lent. Melkites fast from Divine Liturgy whereas Latin would never “fast”
from Mass. From my point of view everyone should feel free to “cross over”
so to speak at times.
Actually, the Latin Church used to have many aliturgical days, including Lent, in the past, but those had fallen into the ether long ago - sadly. The Good Friday ritual is actually one of the most ancient surviving liturgies of the West and shows that there was a great value in aliturgical days.
 
Actually, the Latin Church used to have many aliturgical days, including Lent, in the past, but those had fallen into the ether long ago - sadly.
The Ambrosian Rite maintains a bit more of the ancient custom of aliturgical days. All Fridays of Lent, for example, are aliturgical.
The Good Friday ritual is actually one of the most ancient surviving liturgies of the West and shows that there was a great value in aliturgical days.
It was far more so prior to its having been butchered in the 1955 “reform” …
 
Same for Latin Rite, but the vigil is separate from the day mass. In fact, we have four different masses for Christmas - Vigil, Midnight, Dawn, Day masses. But they are all structured the same as in the Sunday mass, with the optional addition of the blessing of the crib.
Just clarifying a difference in terminology: in the Byzantine-Slavic traditions, the “vigil” usually comprises Vespers, Matins and First Hour (but not the Divine Liturgy). It is not equivalent to the “Vigil Mass” known in the Latin Church. At Christmas, Theophany and Annunciation, however, our vigil comprises Compline, Matins and First Hour (again, not the Divine Liturgy).

As described by babochka above, aside from the vigil and other services, there are two Divine Liturgies associated with Christmas and Theophany: a Vespers-followed-by-Liturgy on the eve (the ustav prescribes about 1pm), and a separate Liturgy on the day itself.
 
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