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Wannano
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You know Memaw I was stunned when I just read how you feel I was trying to explain away His miracle. You are so wrong in your judgement of me that it makes me lightheaded. You often seem to jump to conclusions about other posters motives that leaves me with questions.
How do you constantly slap people in the face and then end with God Bless, Memaw. Are you actually meaning to impart a blessing? I have often wondered if you really mean God Bless Memaw.
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ComplineSanFran
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I’ve seen you say this several times. You know, ‘Amen’ doesn’t mean that at all. I wonder where you heard it.
Amen has nothing to do with what we believe. It means ‘verily’ or ‘may it be so’.
Belief is, of course, important in our faith, important even in the mysteries. There are just some things that will always rely on our belief rather than our knowledge.
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Little_Sheep
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For me, the Eucharist is always a miracle. Nothing outside of that sways me any more or any less as regards its truth and power and mystery.
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Little_Sheep
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Yes. It means “let it be.”
Memaw, why do you think it means, “I believe?” I too am curious as to why you think that.
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Little_Sheep
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I do not understand your uncharitable dismissal of Wannao’s honest, humble post - in no way did it read as an explaining away of anything.
Sometimes message boards are hard, I guess.
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StGeorgesSquire
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Perhaps a further explanation would clear things up a bit?
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Wannano
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Thank you Little Sheep, it is so nice to know someone else cares. I have had a hard time with this today. I have reread and reread my post and quite simply can’t see what I said wrong. I read the article with interest that the OP referred us to. I was struck by the thought that if God wanted to give the world PHYSICAL evidence that Jesus is alive in à miraculous way that could have scientific evidence what better way would there be than to have it given on a communion wafer which is something all Christians identify with in one manner or another.
Both the OP in post #3 and Memaw in post #4 said they looked forward to and welcomed any (name removed by moderator)ut. Somehow mine was not welcome and judged as explaining away God’s miracle which is very hurtful and I feel very malicious. I realize now the only proper answer that is acceptable is to say that this miracle has made me an instant believer in the real presence.
I have been on CAF for a while now and have enjoyed learning and conversing with Catholics.I have gained tremendous insight into their Church and the way they think and believe.
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StGeorgesSquire
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Most definitely! How this happens–whether through transubstantiation or another means–a sample for examination is much needed (if we didn’t, we’d get into the theoretical part of science and **THAT **gets confusing :whacky:
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arthra
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I read about the purported miracles in the article cited above… and was frankly somewhat surprised by them. I’m unsure how to express this but as a former Christian who assisted a priest in administering the Eucharist I think I would be terrified if I thought such a “miracle” could occur.
Now as a Baha’i I feel the “miracles” that are called for today have a more social impact…
“We are ever looking for some miracle, some proof – for the Christ life as viewed from the outside seems so simple; yet could there be anything more dramatically miraculous than this: to establish peace in the hearts in the midst of a warring world?”
Now as a Baha’i I feel the “miracles” that are called for today have a more social impact…
“We are ever looking for some miracle, some proof – for the Christ life as viewed from the outside seems so simple; yet could there be anything more dramatically miraculous than this: to establish peace in the hearts in the midst of a warring world?”
~ Abdu'l-Baha, Divine Philosophy, p. 11
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Little_Sheep
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I really do believe message boards (texts, emails…) can be hard when it comes to understanding what a person says. Especially when discussing such nuanced and weighty topics.
But, as with all modes of communication, my experience is that people have a tendency to find (hear, read) what their personal filters are set up to find (hear, read…). Humans are all very human that way!
In any event, I hope you won’t burden yourself unduly by second-guessing your original post! Peace to you, Wannano!
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Cyril_Of_Canada
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I saw this in a pamphlet a week ago at a local parish I attended. I read it and was amazed. And it even had a scientific study to back it up. I was so thrilled at learning but felt that other protestants I knew wouldn’t share the same feelings I did…
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Perplexity
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I guess my problem is that the scientific evidence is only ever for there being tissue or blood, but never for a host changing into tissue or blood. The actual change is only ever based on anecdotes, inference or, in rare cases, purportedly eye witness testimony.
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Michael1966
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As a Catholic and as a scientist I must admit to being sceptical. I haven’t yet seen any reputable academic peer-reviewed investigation. I hear claims there are academic peer-reviewed papers, but haven’t yet seen specific references given. If anyone knows of any I would be fascinated to look at them. Currently I would put these claims in the same category as claims from charismatic Christians that gold teeth had appeared in their mouths - interesting hearsay which may point to something genuine, but a way off claims that have passed the test of more rigorous independent academic scrutiny.
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Lenten_ashes
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First, let me just say I am always very impressed with the kindness of our Bahai brothers and sisters. And again in this thread they demonstrate humility and class, which i appreciate.
Secondly, as a convert, i used to think these miracles were of the devil designed to keep ignorant Catholics on the road to hell lol
Now, as a Catholic i see them differently, obviously. I am especially impressed with the stories behind these miracles as it’s usually some priest, somewhere, who struggles with belief in transubstantiation. This is private revelation from the Lord meant to help this person in particular in their walk. I’m sure pretty much all Christians, everywhere, would say that they have received some sort of private revelation from the Lord at some point in their lives.
And finally, for any non-Catholic who is intrigued by faith related miracles, look into books on Padre Pio. So many miracles surrounded this humble man. Truly incredible and many have had life changing experiences because of him/through him.
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Secondly, as a convert, i used to think these miracles were of the devil designed to keep ignorant Catholics on the road to hell lol
Now, as a Catholic i see them differently, obviously. I am especially impressed with the stories behind these miracles as it’s usually some priest, somewhere, who struggles with belief in transubstantiation. This is private revelation from the Lord meant to help this person in particular in their walk. I’m sure pretty much all Christians, everywhere, would say that they have received some sort of private revelation from the Lord at some point in their lives.
And finally, for any non-Catholic who is intrigued by faith related miracles, look into books on Padre Pio. So many miracles surrounded this humble man. Truly incredible and many have had life changing experiences because of him/through him.
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StGeorgesSquire
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Something I’d like to know is the scientific aspect of stigmata. Understandably with the Eucharist and Transubstantiation you have Christ’s body and blood but what about his wounds?
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Memaw
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That’s true but the Eucharistic Miracles are ongoing proof. God Bless, Memaw
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Memaw
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I was referring to the “a symbol of Christs body to some” part. HE is NOT a symbol. Are there Eucharistic Miracles in any other denomination??? I wasn’t “slapping” anyone. Sorry if I offended you by defending Our Lord’s Miracles, and I do mean God Bless in all sincerity. God Bless, Memaw
As I said, if the Spirit chooses to use a visible miracle in order to restore or kindle faith, Amen.
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Wannano
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Memaw, it is good to hear from you. I think you misunderstood what I was saying and in all fairness I think you still might be misunderstanding. Certainly Jesus is not a symbol. I accept your apology. You did not offend me by defending the Lord’s Miracles, what was offensive to me was that you stated that I had cleverly explained away His miracle when in fact I was agreeing that using a communion host would be a great way to present a miracle.
At any rate I just got done reading the articles from Don Ruggero on the QUESTIONS FOR LUTHERANS thread and I am deeply intrigued by what he presents. If we are sincere we have so far to go.
However Memaw, while I have had trouble appreciating some of your
responses to me and other posters I am convicted that I did not respond to you in a loving manner and I am sorry. I was reacting and made a mistake. Peace.
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