A Question To Protestants Regarding The Eucharist

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Augustine3 said:
I’m curious to see what Protestants have to say about the Eucharistic Miracles. See link below:

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From the link:
What are Eucharistic Miracles? Throughout the history of the Catholic Church, Jesus has proven beyond any doubt that He is truly present in the Holy Eucharist. Why did He have to prove this to us? It is because at certain times in history, there were heresies that denied the Real Presence in the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist. On other occasions, some priests doubted the Real Presence of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist. And yet, on other occasions, the Holy Eucharist was abused by believers and non-believers alike.
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I think Lutherans tend to think little about them, not that we think little of them. Denial of them would limit the power of God, yet we have little or no evidence from scripture that God would reveal His truth in this way. Further, we accept the Eucharist itself, every time it is celebrated, to be a miracle. I’m sure Catholics do, too.
In short, could they happen? An unequivocal maybe.

Jon
 
It doesn’t have a bearing on my faith either way really. I just take Jesus at his word that the Eucharist is his Body and Blood. Whether these happened or not wouldn’t affect my faith in any way.
 
I’m with both Jon and Indifferently on this. To say that Eucharistic miracles can’t happen would be to limit God’s power. And, my faith is not increased because of the reports of such miracles. I believe totally in the miracle that takes place each time the Eucharist is celebrated – that what comes to us in the forms of bread and wine is truly the body and blood of our Lord.
 
I’m going to give a lighthearted, yet poignant response with a quote from the Vicar of Dibley that I think fits this quite well:

Alice Tinker: “Vicar, do you believe in magic?”

Rev: Geraldine Granger: "Hmm. Interesting question. If, on the one hand, you’re asking me if I believe in magic as entertainment, then my answer would be yes - Paul Daniels is the living and rapidly balding proof of that… If, on the other hand, you’re asking me if I believe that these magicians possess actual magic powers, then my answer would be no; although there is something pretty darn spooky about Paul Daniels’ ability to make himself sexually attractive to the lovely and fragrant Debbie McGee… If, on the third hand, you’re inquiring into the possibility of the magical manipulation of natural things by the Lord God, then my answer would be a resounding yes."

Do I believe in the Eucharistic miracle? No idea. Do I believe that it’s possible? Absolutely. I prefer to think of the Eucharist as eating the bread of Heaven at the Lord’s supper table rather than what you describe, but that’s just me and how I personally worship.
 
Casey123 said:
…but that’s just me and how I personally worship.
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This pretty much sums up Protestantism in America… (with the possible exception of confessional Lutherans and high church Anglicans).

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It’s another religious oddity, like walking over hot coals, or statues crying blood or oil. If such a “miracle” really occured without any plausible explanation, science would be “all over it” as it would somehow be “proof” that the mechanics of our natural world can “unravel” in some way…and since no one but “the faithful” give much credence to it…and their “credence” is usually connected to some preconceived religious belief or practice, I don’t give much thought to such claims.
 
Does it count as a miracle to non-catholics when God’s presence was made known in the burning bush, the Rock in the desert, the Shekina cloud by day and fire by night? Would it be considered a miracle for God to be present in His Word? And would a non-catholic need science to prove a miracle? or faith to disprove science?

Peace be with you
 
stewstew03 said:
This pretty much sums up Protestantism in America… (with the possible exception of confessional Lutherans and high church Anglicans).

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Many people much prefer to worship the god who lets them do things how they like them, rather than try to discover the One True God and conform themselves to his way.
 
Publisher said:
It’s another religious oddity, like walking over hot coals, or statues crying blood or oil. If such a “miracle” really occured without any plausible explanation, science would be “all over it” as it would somehow be “proof” that the mechanics of our natural world can “unravel” in some way…and since no one but “the faithful” give much credence to it…and their “credence” is usually connected to some preconceived religious belief or practice, I don’t give much thought to such claims.
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Well the miracle of Lanciano has been thoroughly studied by scientists and they walked away essentially confirming everything that was alleged about the miracle - real body, real blood, still “fresh”. It’s impossible to simply dismiss it.
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
Does it count as a miracle to non-catholics when God’s presence was made known in the burning bush, the Rock in the desert, the Shekina cloud by day and fire by night? Would it be considered a miracle for God to be present in His Word? And would a non-catholic need science to prove a miracle? or faith to disprove science?

Peace be with you
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Welcome back, Gabriel. You’ve been missed.

You know my answer to this.

Jon
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
Does it count as a miracle to non-catholics when God’s presence was made known in the burning bush, the Rock in the desert, the Shekina cloud by day and fire by night? Would it be considered a miracle for God to be present in His Word? And would a non-catholic need science to prove a miracle? or faith to disprove science?

Peace be with you
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Well…no one here saw any of those “miracles”…mythology is rife with such stories from every nation on Earth.

I wasn’t the one who asked the question about “eucharistic miracles”…I don’t need them…but since they seem to be such a “big deal” to many Catholics…since every time the eucharist is discussed they are pulled out as some kind of non-existent “proof”…I have yet to find anyone other than Catholics claiming “miracle” in such cases.🤷
 
FabiusMaximus said:
Well the miracle of Lanciano has been thoroughly studied by scientists and they walked away essentially confirming everything that was alleged about the miracle - real body, real blood, still “fresh”. It’s impossible to simply dismiss it.
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And yet these “scientists” don’t seem to be impressed in the least…or change their view of how the world works because of them.🤷
 
Publisher said:
And yet these “scientists” don’t seem to be impressed in the least…or change their view of how the world works because of them.🤷
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I’m not saying that a person should be completely persuaded to convert to Catholicism (or Christianity in general) based on that alone - after all, I think Lanciano is a wondrous event, and I have not converted to Catholicism. However, I do think that a person should reflect upon it humbly and ask himself why this has happened.
 
FabiusMaximus said:
I’m not saying that a person should be completely persuaded to convert to Catholicism (or Christianity in general) based on that alone - after all, I think Lanciano is a wondrous event, and I have not converted to Catholicism. However, I do think that a person should reflect upon it humbly and ask himself why this has happened.
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I don’t begrudge you your meditation on this alleged event…I see no beneifit is such “miracles.” It smacks of statues crying blood or oil. Faces on toast or sandwiches…and a host of other “oddities” people believe in…IMO not one of them worthy of 'humble reflection"…reflction on such events isn’t something I associate “humility” with.🤷 “Humility” would offer a dignity to the event I just don’t think it deserves…and “reflection”??? I can’t fathom even giving such occurances more than a passing thought…much less “reflection”. But that’s just me.🙂
 
Publisher said:
I don’t begrudge you your meditation on this alleged event…I see no beneifit is such “miracles.” It smacks of statues crying blood or oil. Faces on toast or sandwiches…and a host of other “oddities” people believe in…IMO not one of them worthy of 'humble reflection"…reflction on such events isn’t something I associate “humility” with.🤷 “Humility” would offer a dignity to the event I just don’t think it deserves…and “reflection”??? I can’t fathom even giving such occurances more than a passing thought…much less “reflection”. But that’s just me.🙂
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With all due respect, this particular event is nothing like a tearing statue or miracle bread.

This is something that has been extensively studied, researched, and reviewed by even ardent atheists. It’s no wonder that in the 1976 report the concluding remarks stated that “science, aware of its limits, has come to a halt.”

Again, I don’t necessarily see it as sufficient evidence to make any faith-based decision, but it merits, in my view, more consideration than a tearing statue.
 
FabiusMaximus said:
With all due respect, this particular event is nothing like a tearing statue or miracle bread.

This is something that has been extensively studied, researched, and reviewed by even ardent atheists. It’s no wonder that in the 1976 report the concluding remarks stated that “science, aware of its limits, has come to a halt.”

Again, I don’t necessarily see it as sufficient evidence to make any faith-based decision, but it merits, in my view, more consideration than a tearing statue.
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Then friend, you should give it all the consideration you feel it’s due…as must I.
 
Publisher said:
Well…no one here saw any of those “miracles”…mythology is rife with such stories from every nation on Earth.

I wasn’t the one who asked the question about “eucharistic miracles”…I don’t need them…but since they seem to be such a “big deal” to many Catholics…since every time the eucharist is discussed they are pulled out as some kind of non-existent “proof”…I have yet to find anyone other than Catholics claiming “miracle” in such cases.🤷
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I thought you raised an interesting perspective regarding science as opposed to miracles.

Would you agree that miracles are for unbelievers and not necessarily for believers?

Science has to obey the creation laws, and the natural laws of creation follow the divine order of creation. Science comes to the knowledge of what already exists and follows the divine order as the first Adam, who was given the divine order to give God’s created creatures a name. Many times when science discovers from created elements to cure a human or animal disease is never short of a miracle.

According to the scriptures we are justified by faith not by the works of the law. This faith was attested by the Apostles, saints and martyrs from the first century who witnessed the resurrection. Did you see the miraculous resurrection of Jesus Christ? Yet most non-catholic christians believe today in the resurrection, but never witnessed it. Does not the resurrection of Jesus justify our faith?

In regards to the validly acclaimed miracles of the Eucharist there are too many to expound upon here. It is not a question of science or those who reject miracles of the Eucharist. God allows miracles to bring those lacking in faith, called by God into a more profound faith.

Jesus said it best; “If you don’t believe in me…, believe in the works I do…” (John 10:37-38)

When Jesus cured the blind man, he did not cure all blind men. Yet this one blind man gave witness and testimony in faith in Jesus Christ.

Peace be with you
 
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