A question to protestants

[Gabriel_of_12]

**Hisalone, did you read these posts, I have reposted them here for your review. I had to leave out of town for a few days, sorry about the delayed response.

Hisalone you are not wrong, Paul is describing an agape meal but also the Consecrated bread and cup of blessing being the body and blood of the Lord. Paul is addressing converted Jews and converted Gentiles, who are now going to be baptised christians, and sharing a love feast together. Now the Last Supper sacrafice meal was not shared with the unbaptised, These candidates for baptism only heard the word of God. These were not recieved into full communion until after their baptism. maybe this cleared scripture may make more sense to you.

Here is St. Jude supporting St. Paul about being uncharitabel during the love feast or agape meal. Just a note, remember the Christian Jews were just learning how to associate with the Gentile converts of St. Paul. What we are witnessing here is both Gentile and Jew now Christian, coming together to eat a love feast or agape meal together.

11 Woe to them! They followed the way of Cain, abandoned themselves to Balaam’s error for the sake of gain, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. 9
12 These are blemishes on your love feasts, 10 as they carouse fearlessly and look after themselves. They are waterless clouds blown about by winds, fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead and uprooted.
13 They are like wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shameless deeds, wandering stars for whom the gloom of darkness has been reserved forever.
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Originally Posted by Hisalone

Catholics misinterpret 1 Cor 10-11 everytime.
Paul was instructing the Corinthians who ate a “love feast” or regular meal as a Lords Supper were being exclusionary and lacked charity. Paul was instructing them that they needed to share because the folks who did not have any were part of Christ body and needed to be discerned as such.

**This agape or love feast, comes from the full Jewish meal chaburah, this did not translate well with the Corinthians behavior, because the chaburah was a solemn meal, this is why later by the end of the first century we find the Eucharist or Last supper seperated from the love feast or agape meal. Now remember all attended the scriptural readings, but the "Breaking of Bread was reserved for the “Christian home” not for the unbaptised.

The chaburah, berakoth, and the todah were important meals and elements during Jesus Ministry. What makes the Last supper distinct from all these including the love feast (agape meal) Jesus uttered this command to “DO THIS” in the context of the Passover meal, Also known as the seder.

The difference I hope to reveal to you is this. In this agape or love feast, It did not have the formula describes in 1 Cor.10-11, only the Last supper or the Eucharist celebration did. The seder was a tightly family oriented meal that included readings and prayers, and a “Rememberance”. The love feast did not have these connotations of the “Rememberance” 4 cups of blessings, unleavened bread, especially the love feast did not include the Rituals that concluded with the Hallel Psalms (Ps 112-117 and 135 Which are songs of praise, these Jesus did at the Last supper.

In conc lusion, The LOVE FEAST OR AGAPE MEAL ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE LAST SUPPER, OR EUCHARISTIC SACRAFICE MEAL. Paul does speak of them both, but disitinctly in Corinthians.

Peace be with you**

 

[paarsurrey]

Stop with this Jesus and Paul taught differently already.
Peter said Pauls letters were inspired and had the same wieght as OT scriptures.
You have come to believe a lie not through your own research but by missinformation put out by adherents of the false religion Islam.

Hi

I think Peter was also not a fast friend of Jesus, it is very much mentioned in the NTBible. He cursed him three times.
Paul and Peter, I think, had differences with Jesus that is why, after the event of Crucifixion Jesus went Eastward to India to preach his teachings to the Jews living there, while Paul and Peter as my friends say went in the opposite dierction Westward to Gentiles at Rome.

Please don’t be angry, it is just a discussion to know the truth. Better bring in some good arguments, reasonable and rational, please.

Thanks

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Hisalone;3381582:

**Hisalone, did you read these posts, I have reposted them here for your review. I had to leave out of town for a few days, sorry about the delayed response.

Hisalone you are not wrong, Paul is describing an agape meal but also the Consecrated bread and cup of blessing being the body and blood of the Lord. Paul is addressing converted Jews and converted Gentiles, who are now going to be baptised christians, and sharing a love feast together. Now the Last Supper sacrafice meal was not shared with the unbaptised, These candidates for baptism only heard the word of God. These were not recieved into full communion until after their baptism. maybe this cleared scripture may make more sense to you.

Here is St. Jude supporting St. Paul about being uncharitabel during the love feast or agape meal. Just a note, remember the Christian Jews were just learning how to associate with the Gentile converts of St. Paul. What we are witnessing here is both Gentile and Jew now Christian, coming together to eat a love feast or agape meal together.

11 Woe to them! They followed the way of Cain, abandoned themselves to Balaam’s error for the sake of gain, and perished in the rebellion of Korah. 9
12 These are blemishes on your love feasts, 10 as they carouse fearlessly and look after themselves. They are waterless clouds blown about by winds, fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead and uprooted.
13 They are like wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shameless deeds, wandering stars for whom the gloom of darkness has been reserved forever.
**

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hisalone

Catholics misinterpret 1 Cor 10-11 everytime.
Paul was instructing the Corinthians who ate a “love feast” or regular meal as a Lords Supper were being exclusionary and lacked charity. Paul was instructing them that they needed to share because the folks who did not have any were part of Christ body and needed to be discerned as such.

**This agape or love feast, comes from the full Jewish meal chaburah, this did not translate well with the Corinthians behavior, because the chaburah was a solemn meal, this is why later by the end of the first century we find the Eucharist or Last supper seperated from the love feast or agape meal. Now remember all attended the scriptural readings, but the "Breaking of Bread was reserved for the “Christian home” not for the unbaptised.

The chaburah, berakoth, and the todah were important meals and elements during Jesus Ministry. What makes the Last supper distinct from all these including the love feast (agape meal) Jesus uttered this command to “DO THIS” in the context of the Passover meal, Also known as the seder.

The difference I hope to reveal to you is this. In this agape or love feast, It did not have the formula describes in 1 Cor.10-11, only the Last supper or the Eucharist celebration did. The seder was a tightly family oriented meal that included readings and prayers, and a “Rememberance”. The love feast did not have these connotations of the “Rememberance” 4 cups of blessings, unleavened bread, especially the love feast did not include the Rituals that concluded with the Hallel Psalms (Ps 112-117 and 135 Which are songs of praise, these Jesus did at the Last supper.

In conc lusion, The LOVE FEAST OR AGAPE MEAL ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE LAST SUPPER, OR EUCHARISTIC SACRAFICE MEAL. Paul does speak of them both, but disitinctly in Corinthians.

Peace be with you**

I have reposted in consideration to you Hisalone, because of my delayed response. I am very interested in clearing these scripture contexts.