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“In the winter of 1562 it was still not clear how much – if anything significant – the new session of the Council of Trent would be able to accomplish. …………The Protestants were invited and assured safe-conducts, but few expected them to come; most of the German (Catholic) bishops so feared the Lutherans that they stayed away themselves, despite the best efforts of Emperor Ferdinand I, the Catholic brother of Charles V who was as firm in the Faith as he had been, to persuade them to attend.” Warren H. Carroll, “The Cleaving of Christendom”, pg. 286
In regards to the conclusions of that 1562 session, Carroll continues:
“All of the decrees of the previous sessions were re-read and their approval was confirmed. All 225b Council Fathers present signed them, and 39 proxies from absent Fathers were recorded in their favor………
The homilist at the opening Mass of this last day of the final session of the Council of Trent directly addressed the Protestants:
Yet they had not come’, without significant exception, they had indeed not shown the slightest inclination to come; they had cut themselves off from the Church Christ founded. There could be no more attempts at negotiation or compromise with them, which over almost half a century had given every possible opportunity to happen and to succeed. There must then be, in each country, a fight to the finish. For nearly everyone in that age, Catholic or Protestant, believed unquestioningly that in the end all churches of a nation must preach the same doctrine and acknowledge the same head……With no compromise or reconciliation possible, the great issue could therefore only be settled on the battlefield, and to the battlefield it was now committed…………
Almost miraculously, those proclaiming both doctrine and reform, despite all the differences that had developed between the Protestants – between Lutherans and Calvinists especially,……as well as among Anabaptists, mainline Protestants, and Unitarians – was very impressive and well noted.” Carroll, pg. 299-301
Ben, the summary of these quotes is as follows and it is VERY different than the standard Protestant “Legend” which portrays Protestantism as being kept from Trent by the Church.
The Pope invited the Protestants to an Ecumenical Council in Mantua in 1537 (which was to become the Council of Trent. The Protestants returned the invitation unopened. Still though the Pope agreed to the Protestant demand to have the Council on German Soil. In 1551 the Pope agrees to give the Lutherans a fair hearing. The Protestants attend and demand that the Council its vows to the Pope, annul all prior decisions of the Council, and that new discussions be initiated. Rather than destroy the Church, Julius refuses. The Protestants threaten Trent militarily and Trent closes for the time being. In 1562 Protestants are again invited to the Council and even the Emperor is unable to convince them to. After this last session, Trent is closed. Europe descends into a series of wars in which, overall, tens of millions are killed.
Those are the historical facts Ben – facts that I have never read in a Protestant account of either the Reformation or of Luther’s life. It seems pretty obvious at this point that Luther was wrong to recommend that the Protestants reject the invitation to attend the Council.
In regards to the conclusions of that 1562 session, Carroll continues:
“All of the decrees of the previous sessions were re-read and their approval was confirmed. All 225b Council Fathers present signed them, and 39 proxies from absent Fathers were recorded in their favor………
The homilist at the opening Mass of this last day of the final session of the Council of Trent directly addressed the Protestants:
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“We have chosen this city, at the entrance into Germany, on the very threshold, so to speak, of their house,; in order to remove all suspicion from their minds, we have refused to be guarded by troops, we have issued letters of safe conduct which they themselves have framed; we have waited for them, we have begged and implored them to come and gain knowledge from the light of truth.”
Almost miraculously, those proclaiming both doctrine and reform, despite all the differences that had developed between the Protestants – between Lutherans and Calvinists especially,……as well as among Anabaptists, mainline Protestants, and Unitarians – was very impressive and well noted.” Carroll, pg. 299-301
Ben, the summary of these quotes is as follows and it is VERY different than the standard Protestant “Legend” which portrays Protestantism as being kept from Trent by the Church.
The Pope invited the Protestants to an Ecumenical Council in Mantua in 1537 (which was to become the Council of Trent. The Protestants returned the invitation unopened. Still though the Pope agreed to the Protestant demand to have the Council on German Soil. In 1551 the Pope agrees to give the Lutherans a fair hearing. The Protestants attend and demand that the Council its vows to the Pope, annul all prior decisions of the Council, and that new discussions be initiated. Rather than destroy the Church, Julius refuses. The Protestants threaten Trent militarily and Trent closes for the time being. In 1562 Protestants are again invited to the Council and even the Emperor is unable to convince them to. After this last session, Trent is closed. Europe descends into a series of wars in which, overall, tens of millions are killed.
Those are the historical facts Ben – facts that I have never read in a Protestant account of either the Reformation or of Luther’s life. It seems pretty obvious at this point that Luther was wrong to recommend that the Protestants reject the invitation to attend the Council.