A Realistic Example of the Catholic Crisis

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just because it has been going on for years doesn’t make it right in the eye’s of God. It is all our business - Our business is our sisters and brothers and helping them get to heaven - not to sit idly by and watch them be inundated with faulty theology.
 
No, it’s called pastoring and is what the Church has done since the beginning of time.
 
Duties of a Christian: St. Peter Julian Eymard

Honor
"We must honor the Pope as the visible Vicar of Jesus Christ. He is the Teacher of
teachers, the Father of fathers, the Master of masters; that is why he wears the tiara,
the triple crown of Jesus Christ.

To the Sovereign Pontiff therefore we own sovereign honor and supreme respect;
he is Jesus Christ in the divinity of His mission on earth."

Love
“Who can also help loving the Pope, the common Father of the faithful, to whom
Jesus Christ has given a heart as great as the world and greater than all our needs?”

Obedience
"Every Christian owes to the Supreme Head of the Church, in all that concerns his
divine mission, an obedience of faith at the risk of becoming guilty of rebellion or of
heresy: ‘If he will not listen to the church, then count him all one with the heathen
and the publicans.’

Even against civic rulings (which is such cases have neither authority nor jurisdiction)
the Christian owes filial obedience to Canon Law, to the Papal Bulls, to the
decrees and decisions of the Holy Roman Church, which are but the voice, the law,
the teaching of the Sovereign Pontiff.

The obedient Christian goes beyond the commandment of the law and of authority.
He consults the intention of the legislator, whose counsels are orders. He
wants in all things to think and speak and act like his father in the Faith."
 
Wow. First time I have heard of St Eymard as a “ultramodernist”.
 
he doesn’t wear the crown - we are not to follow any human blindly - not even the pope. We have a duty to speak up as Cardinals and Bishops have done.
 
I meant no insult. It is an accurate term for those who blindly follow the pope and overly exaggerate the papal prerogatives.
 
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That is thrown around by Church militant types to describe anyone who thinks Pope Francis deserves the respect that comes with his office.
 
perhaps if you read what Dr. Feser, a highly respected Catholic philosopher, writes about Papal Fallibility Edward Feser: Papal fallibility (Updated)

Dr.Feser said the reverse is actually true, namely that the Church “puts the pope in a doctrinal box.”

“Even when he is speaking ex cathedra [authoritatively from the chair], he must stay within the parameters he has inherited,” he said.

“He can draw out implications implicit in earlier doctrine, but he cannot make up new doctrines out of whole cloth. And what he teaches must be consistent with the entire body of past binding teaching. He is not permitted to contradict past doctrine and he cannot pit one doctrine against another,” he added.

The professor quoted from recent Vatican Councils to demonstrate how the pope is tasked by God to, in the words of the First Vatican Council, “not…make known some new doctrine, but…religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles.”

He also quoted the Second Vatican Council’s teaching that the Church cannot teach contrary to Scripture.

“The living teaching office of the Church… is not above the word of God, but serves it, teaching only what has been handed on, listening to it devoutly, guarding it scrupulously and explaining it faithfully,” Feser quoted of Dei Verbum [Word of God].
 
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CilladeRoma said:
That is thrown around by Church militant types to describe anyone who thinks Pope Francis deserves the respect that comes with his office.
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“Church militant types?” What does that mean? I’m a member of the Church Militant and hope to become a member of the Church Triumphant one day.

I respect Pope Francis but I am one of many who has been confused by his statements and acts. I pray for Pope Francis daily in the hopes that he restore doctrinal unity and certainty. It pains me to see the Sacred Deposit under threat.
 
Believe it or not, sometimes people mistype words, sometimes computers do this fancy new thing called autocorrect.

Never mind with me, I’m sure you can find some more outrage happening elsewhere.
 
LOL, my last reply was going to include “Church Militant just called the batline, there is a fresh new outrage”. You beat me to it!
 
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The dubia are simple questions on authentic Catholic doctrine. Pope Francis should have no problem answering them but still refuses to do so. His silence is damning.
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No. His silence is sending a very loud and clear message (to people who mostly refuse to “hear” it).
 
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No. His silence is sending a very loud and clear message (to people who mostly refuse to “hear” it).
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The message I receive is that Pope Francis is negligent in his duty to confirm the brethren in the Faith. Dubia are a standard, common practice. But for some reason, Pope Francis can’t confirm the Apostolic teachings stated in the dubia. Strange indeed.
 
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I’m all ears. Too bad Pope Francis won’t answer his own Cardinals. He’s too busy persecuting the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, meddling in the Sovereign Order of Malta, giving Papal Knightoods to abortion campaigners, protecting his friends accused of child abuse,vcelebrating Martin Luther and rigging church synods.
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I am sorry you don’t like the current pope. That must be difficult for you. Perhaps you will like the next one better. I guess we can’t expect to have our way all the time.
 
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