A Reforming Catholic Confession - A Protestant Statement of Faith To Mark the 500th Anniversary of the Reformation

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The most obvious effect of the Reformation—which celebrates its 500th anniversary this year—is division.

It is estimated that more than 33,000 different Christian denominations now exist throughout the world, and much of this is blamed on the Reformation. While some are making the case that difference does not necessarily constitute division in Protestantism and the global church, the plethora of denominations is a source of concern for Protestants, who are the heirs of Martin Luther’s movement that has tended to create new churches rather than reform existing ones.

The “Reforming Catholic Confession,” released today, aims to demonstrate that—despite “denominationalism”—Protestants are remarkably unified.
Personally, I somewhat disagree with the third paragraph of the above article.

The full statement of faith: (http://reformingcatholicconfession.com/)
From the section ‘EXPLANATION: A HISTORICAL & THEOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE
Why we say what we say’ are some articles that may be of interest to Catholics (Explanation - Reforming Catholic Confession):
10.Critical voices describe sola scriptura as the “sin” of the Reformation, and the priesthood of all believers as Christianity’s dangerous idea. That individual interpreters can read the supreme authority of faith and life for themselves unleashed interpretive anarchy on the world, it is claimed. The historical record is irrefutable: Protestants disagreed amongst themselves and begat not one but many church families and traditions. We acknowledge that Protestants have not always handled doctrinal and interpretive differences in a spirit of charity and humility, but in making common confession, as we here do, we challenge the idea that every difference or denominational distinction necessarily leads to division.

18.We primarily see ourselves not as Protestants defining themselves against others but rather as mere Protestant Christians who affirm the common spiritual tradition to which creedal Christianity bears eloquent witness. Some of us have been further “denominated” into particular Protestant family traditions and others not. Yet we all value the Reformation solas, not simply because they distinguish us from Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox Christians, but rather because they are salient reminders to the whole church that God alone saves in Christ alone through faith alone.

20.We set forth our confession as those who stand on the shoulders of our Reformation forbears and their Catholic and Orthodox ancestors (i.e., patristic and medieval theologians), and ultimately on the only enduring foundation of the faith: the written Word of God that attests the good news of the living Word of God made flesh, who dwelt among us (John 1:14), died for us, and lives in us.
This could be useful for dialogue between Catholics and Protestants. The drafting committee has members from the Southern Baptist, PCA, GAFCON Anglican and LCMS denominations.
 
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one of the main problem is that protestants (mostly) take a verses from Bile and then justify the whole thing on the basis of that…even martin luther had intentions to remove books of james…because his faith alone was contradicting …most of protestants just interpret in their own way…
 
Seems pretty good to me. As an evangelical Pentecostal, I could sign on to it.
 
I never doubted Protestants agreed on many things. It is just that the agreement doesn’t go very deep. As soon as you start to dig deeper serious differences of opinion arise.

I found this interesting:
He will judge the world, consigning any who persist in unbelief to an everlasting fate apart from him, where his life and light are no more.
If Holy Scripture is the only reliable guide where in Scripture does this idea come from? I think of The Epistle of St. James, ‘You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder.’
 
If Holy Scripture is the only reliable guide where in Scripture does this idea come from? I think of The Epistle of St. James, ‘You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder.’
Revelation 21:8. Demons have knowledge of God, but intellectuall knowledge of God’s existence is not the same thing as having faith in God. This is the sense in which unbelief separates us from God. Sin ultimately stems from unbelief, because if we truly believed that God is our God then we would obey and love him for his own sake.
 
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The no one has faith in God given that we all sin. So such an interpretation would seem to suggest that you never know if you actually have faith in God.
 
The no one has faith in God given that we all sin. So such an interpretation would seem to suggest that you never know if you actually have faith in God.
Yes, we all sin. That is why God provides grace to help our unbelief and our inability to love him. Was it not Jesus who said, “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.” Is it impossible to love God then, knowing that we all have sinned?

Certainly not. Ultimately, God is the author of our faith and love.

“By grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God," Ephesians 2:8.
“Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God,” 1 John 4:7.

None of us can have faith apart from God’s grace and none of us can truly love and obey God unless he first acts to change us.

What this means for Christians on a practical level, of course, is that the battle against sin is a battle against unbelief in our own hearts. Unbelief is dissatisfaction and discontent with what God commands and with what he provides. We counter unbelief by trusting in God. That is the essence of righteousness.
 
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Revelation 21:8. Demons have knowledge of God, but intellectuall knowledge of God’s existence is not the same thing as having faith in God. This is the sense in which unbelief separates us from God. Sin ultimately stems from unbelief, because if we truly believed that God is our God then we would obey and love him for his own sake.
Faith as defined would seem to be mental or physical acts. That passage says:
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, the murderers, the fornicators, the sorcerers, the idolaters, and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.
Faithlessness is just one of the conditions. The others are sinful acts including lying.
 
Faithlessness is just one of the conditions. The others are sinful acts including lying.
You asked where it was in Scripture.

The larger point, of course, is that all sin is rooted in a lack of trust in God, a failure to believe that he is worthy of our trust. When we doubt God-his perfect love, his perfect knowledge and wisdom, his perfect goodness, his perfect righteousness and holiness, his perfect care and intentions toward us, and yes his perfect justice–that doubt leads to sin as we take our lives, futures, and desires into our own hands. This is a thread that runs all through Scripture, from Genesis to the New Testament.

Cowards–they fear because they do not trust God. The polluted–do not trust God. Fornicators–failure to trust God. Sorcerers–again failure to trust God. Idolaters-again failing to trust God. Liars–again failing to trust God.
 
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The larger point, of course, is that all sin is rooted in a lack of trust in God, a failure to believe that he is worthy of our trust. When we doubt God-his perfect love, his perfect knowledge and wisdom, his perfect goodness, his perfect righteousness and holiness, and his perfect care and intentions toward us–that doubt leads to sin as we take our lives, futures, and desires into our own hands. This is a thread that runs all through Scripture, from Genesis to the New Testament.

Cowards–they fear because they do not trust God. The polluted–do not trust God. Fornicators–failure to trust God. Sorcerers–again failure to trust God. Idolaters-again failing to trust God. Liars–again failing to trust God.
In regards to the statement then shouldn’t it say trust rather than faith?

But it seems to me trust doesn’t encompass all that is required. I mean I could trust in God’s power and might but I could still refuse to obey. A fornicator could trust in God’s wrath but want the pleasure of flesh now more than he worries about God’s judgement.
 
But it seems to me trust doesn’t encompass all that is required. I mean I could trust in God’s power and might but I could still refuse to obey. A fornicator could trust in God’s wrath but want the pleasure of flesh now more than he worries about God’s judgement.
You’re trying to play the “Protestants only think you have to give lip service to Christ to go to heaven” card. I’m not playing this game, it gets tiring when Catholics on nearly every thread in this forum assume that Protestantism is equated with cheap grace. I’m sure you’re educated enough to know that faith does not just include confessing Christ by mouth.
 
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You’re trying to play the “Protestants only think you have to give lip service to Christ to go to heaven” card. I’m not playing this game. I’m sure you’re educated enough to know that faith does not just include confessing Christ by mouth.
No, I honestly think most Protestants are better than their theology. I truly don’t mean that condescendingly. What I do mean is that the insistence on ‘faith alone’ is wrong. I think lots of Protestants live the Faith better than me. I think Protestants waste a lot of time trying to get ‘faith alone’ to work.
 
But it seems to me trust doesn’t encompass all that is required. I mean I could trust in God’s power and might but I could still refuse to obey. A fornicator could trust in God’s wrath but want the pleasure of flesh now more than he worries about God’s judgement.
This is not trust. If you trusted in God’s power and might, then you would obey him. Refusing to obey means you do not trust that he knows better than you. A fornicator choosing his pleasure over the pleasure that comes from obedience is not trusting in God, he’s trusting in himself or some other person to give him fulfillment rather than delighting in the perfect love of God.
 
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This is not trust. If you trusted in God’s power and might, then you would obey him. Refusing to obey means you do not trust that he knows better than you. A fornicator choosing his pleasure over the pleasure that comes from obedience is not trusting in God, he’s trusting in himself.
I disagree. I think trust is being stretched here. I think pride is the root of sin. Our sinful acts can be seen as I want to be God. I want things my way. It isn’t a lack of trust so much as a desire to impose our own will. It is not submitting to God.
 
I disagree. I think trust is being stretched here. I think pride is the root of sin. Our sinful acts can be seen as I want to be God. I want things my way. It isn’t a lack of trust so much as a desire to impose our own will. It is not submitting to God.
And I would say that pride is itself a lack of belief or trust in God. If you truly believed that God was God and worthy to be God, then false pride would not be an issue because you would never be able to honestly set yourself up as god over your own life. If you trusted in God, you would submit to him simply because you know he’s worthy of your obedience.
 
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And I would say that pride is itself a lack of belief or trust in God. If you truly believed that God was God and worthy to be God, then false pride would not be an issue because you would never be able to honestly set yourself up as god over your own life. If you trusted in God, you would submit to him simply because you know he’s worthy of your obedience.
This isn’t where I go back to the demons. They are fallen angels. They are spiritual beings not encumbered by flesh. They know and believe God is the creator. They know and believe God is omnipotent. They know God will triumph. And yet they fell. Their problem isn’t not believing God to be worthy. They just refuse to serve. They put their will above his. This is because they, like us, have free will. The problem isn’t in knowledge but in will.
 
This isn’t where I go back to the demons. They are fallen angels. They are spiritual beings not encumbered by flesh. They know and believe God is the creator. They know and believe God is omnipotent. They know God will triumph. And yet they fell.
Yes, they have knowledge. Knowledge is not faith. Knowledge is not trust. I can know a person but still not trust them (sometimes it’s because I know them that I choose not to trust them 😬).
Their problem isn’t not believing God to be worthy.
Obviously, this is their problem since as you say “They know God will triumph” and yet they still refuse to serve him. Even knowing the inevitable, they still do not believe he’s worthy of their obedience.
They just refuse to serve. They put their will above his. This is because they, like us, have free will. The problem isn’t in knowledge but in will.
This is true. They have knowledge, but they do not have the will. They want things their way, not God’s. This is a fundamental lack of faith in God.
 
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