A Review of "EWTN: A Network Gone Wrong" ~ Robert Sungenis, Ph.D

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DavidJoseph said:
I believe he still espouses geocentrism.
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and…he does… and he does it quite well

once again NEITHER geo nor helio is anything more than theory. Neither has been proven. Neither has been disproven. Both have proponents of great intellect.

I find it rather humerous at times… besides - I am more “comfortable” thinking I am not always moving at 1000 miles per hour (although at time it seems like it 😃 )

and thanks to gravity, I don’t bump my head on the ceiling.

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Augustine22 said:
But about his criticisms of JPII, it isn’t about stopping all criticism of the Pope as one person made it look on this forum. Even Sungenis says now that he was way out of line. Read his Open Letter and question 26 from Sept 2006:

catholicintl.com/qa/2006/qa-sept-06.htm#Question%2026

Sungenis: “I framed my criticisms of John Paul II’s…decisions in a reactionary, extreme and denigrating manner. I guess I was so upset, my emotions got the best of me…you are right in rebuking me for the manner in which I expressed it.”

It’s great he’s admitting it and trying to stay away from it now.
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Oh man … I was the one who asked question 26 … I didn’t realize it would actually be put on his site, though. I wrote it as a personal e-mail to him (how I came to write it is another story in itself). blushes
 
DavidJoseph said:
Oh man … I was the one who asked question 26 … I didn’t realize it would actually be put on his site, though. I wrote it as a personal e-mail to him (how I came to write it is another story in itself). blushes
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well… at least he answers questions like he said he would.
 
lak611 said:
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Marilena:
you know what? i don’t think anything about it. i enjoy EWTN.
so i really don’t care what this article states about EWTN.
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I agree with you. 👍
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I agree somewhat because I did think something and that’s that I think this is “basura” which means garbage and then laughed about it. http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i85/Alegre-Fe/Emoticons/Laughing.gif I’m not going to lose sleep over this article because I know I will keep on watching EWTN and enjoy what I see and hear. :yup:
 
Marilena said:
you know what? i don’t think anything about it. i enjoy EWTN.
so i really don’t care what this article states about EWTN.
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I agree with you also.

Whatever criticism can be made against EWTN (although I won’t be one to make any), the good this network has accomplished and continues to accomplish, when looking through the lens of eternity, far outweighs any bad. In other words, as the Scriptures tell us, we will be able to tell by the fruit that springs out from this ministry, is it good fruit?

And if the same test is applied to the critics, how will they fare in the end? 😉
 
Jeanette_L said:
I agree with you also.

Whatever criticism can be made against EWTN (although I won’t be one to make any), the good this network has accomplished and continues to accomplish, when looking through the lens of eternity, far outweighs any bad. In other words, as the Scriptures tell us, we will be able to tell by the fruit that springs out from this ministry, is it good fruit?

And if the same test is applied to the critics, how will they fare in the end? 😉
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Much of what you say is true…

but it brings to mind Acts 16, where Paul and Silas visit Phillipi.

After first meeting Lydia, they encounter a slave girl who happens to also be possessed and who makes great money for her owners.

Not the girls fault… and she even proclaims the greatness of the message given from Paul and Silas.

Is Paul happy when she tells the truth?? Does he approve of her declaring the truth of the Gospel message.?? No

Instead, he drives out the demon because he knows that the owners want her to tell some truth, so that they will gain more prestige,… and will be able to enjoy more wealth/gain because of it.

EWTN ?? 👍 Mother Angelica ?? 👍

Some of the people now running it ?? :rolleyes:

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I have not read this book but I would like to comment on
Robert A. Sungenis, EWTN and Catholic Answers.

I have found the arguments/debates of Sungenis with the Dimond Brothers helpful. He seems to be able to approach this subject more diplomatically, in my opinion, than CA. He has a letter on his website to a person who was a sedevacatist and I found it helpful with dealing with some friends who have gone “over” to that group. All I have found on CA seems to make fun of the sedevacatist group. Correct me please if I am wrong. He helps us to engage and defend with that group.

I only listen to EWTN and I love it! We listen as a family, most of the time. Deep in Scripture, Fr. Corapi, Fr. Pacwa, the priests from EWTN,…and on and on. They may have their mistakes, but shoot, what they have brought to us and others we know…those little mistakes pale in comparison to the good done.

CA is also a place where we have learned/learning and find invaluable. If I have a question or need to “scratch heads” with others…this is the place to come. The apologists are helpful. We subscribe to This Rock and read it and give it away!

That is my :twocents: Probably won’t read the book. Even if I did, there is no way it would change my view of EWTN or the good it has done.
 
H_Opey said:
I have not read this book but I would like to comment on
Robert A. Sungenis, EWTN and Catholic Answers.

I have found the arguments/debates of Sungenis with the Dimond Brothers helpful. He seems to be able to approach this subject more diplomatically, in my opinion, than CA. He has a letter on his website to a person who was a sedevacatist and I found it helpful with dealing with some friends who have gone “over” to that group. All I have found on CA seems to make fun of the sedevacatist group. Correct me please if I am wrong. He helps us to engage and defend with that group.

I only listen to EWTN and I love it! We listen as a family, most of the time. Deep in Scripture, Fr. Corapi, Fr. Pacwa, the priests from EWTN,…and on and on. They may have their mistakes, but shoot, what they have brought to us and others we know…those little mistakes pale in comparison to the good done.

CA is also a place where we have learned/learning and find invaluable. If I have a question or need to “scratch heads” with others…this is the place to come. The apologists are helpful. We subscribe to This Rock and read it and give it away!

That is my :twocents: Probably won’t read the book. Even if I did, there is no way it would change my view of EWTN or the good it has done.
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Sungenis traveled to Oregon to debate on Sedevacantism… It is available at his website, and is rather good… very logical, very direct, very Catholic.
 
AlegreFe said:
My posts in here, which don’t really amount to anything substantial LOL are only about the book itself. I got that book sent to me in the mail for free. I saw it, flipped through some of the pages a little, then filed under “g” for garbage!

I didn’t even read the review in that link. I’ll have to save the PDF file and read it later.
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I jumped the gun myself and then went back and actually read his review more thoroughly and found that he was actually more defensive of EWTN than I first thought, or at least he wasn’t jumping on the bandwagon in criticism of them, but pointing out the errors in some of the book’s criticism.

Sometimes it pays to take a little extra time to read thoroughly. :o
 
I was wondering if anyone bothered to read it! I had a spare moment at work and went thru it. Sungenis is very fair. He points out where he agrees Ferrara and where he thinks he’s dead wrong or nitpicking. It’s a fair article. Though I wasn’t Catholic, I used to watch Mother Angelica every now and then, just b/c I knew she was a big influence on Dana Carvey’s “Church Lady” character. She certainly seemed to be a lot more vocal about Church internal issues than the current regime. Perhaps she’s just part of an era in American Catholicism that we won’t ever see again, but…
 
Jeanette_L said:
I jumped the gun myself and then went back and actually read his review more thoroughly and found that he was actually more defensive of EWTN than I first thought, or at least he wasn’t jumping on the bandwagon in criticism of them, but pointing out the errors in some of the book’s criticism.

Sometimes it pays to take a little extra time to read thoroughly. :o
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The title of the book jumped out at me since I had that book, not of my own wanting, so I was criticizing the book right away. I also jumped and posted. I saved the review but haven’t read it yet. So I was never criticizing Sungenis at all. I just had a bad reaction when I saw the title of the book, I was shocked. :eek:
 
I think a better contrast and comparison is Raymond Arroyo’s work on Mother Angelica. It seems Mother wants it in an apostlate format, with regular lay folk assisting the consecrated there in Alabama, not under the auspices of the Dicoese.

The Remnant? Not my cup of tea.
 
I don’t believe that statement that Mother Angelica refused to attend the dedication of the Temple. As far as everything else, I just don’t get it or want to delve into it.

I believe Mother left because of illness. It was the stroke that made her leave the network. Also that title is just trying to make fun of Raymond’s book.
 
Mijoy2 said:
I think it’s very long.

If we don’t have EWTN what do we have? My hat is in the EWTN camp unless someone can come up with something better then the above document.

There may be an occasional gaff by a priest, live on air, but what does this prove? Doctrine can be a difficult subject indeed and I don’t think even the wonderful regular priests on EWTN will call themselves infallible. And, the Schoeman Moss vs. Sungenis debate is same old same old. Schoeman theology just seems to ring true in my admittedly non-scholastic ears.
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if you read his critique, then you would see that it was pretty well balanced…
 
Wisdom said:
Just another disgruntled ubber traditionalist unhappy that he doesn’t have his own SSPX TV station espousing the theology of Leorard Feeney sending all non-catholics to hell and thier disdain for the Validity of the Norvos Ordo even when EWTN has shown us it can be done well when you take the directives seriously.
The Ubber tradiionalist and the liberals on the other hand hate EWTN because it does not espouse the catholcism of their own choice but reflects the church under the directives of Vatican 2 in keeping with the theology of JP2 and Pope Benedict those who reject the recent popes teachings are sure to be upset whether one is an ubber latin traditionalist or a cafeteria liberal catholic.
It comes down to jealously and the fact they wish they had a tv show of their own.
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This comment just shows the ignorance with which you freely assume the other person’s poition before you actually read what they have to say. Sungenis is con-SSPX, he is against those who try to invalidate the Novus ordo Mass, and he is not against Vatican II. How about you actually study what a person’s position is before you go around and condemn his “positions”.
-Laurence
 
CathCentrist said:
To broad brush that entire article off as mere jealousy is one of the major symptoms the article speaks of. An unwillingness to deal with serious issues.

Some of the subjects touched on arent as serious, while many are.

I had no idea Donovan doesnt have a doctorate in theology but is in charge of theology

EWTN is being co-opted and they are guilty of not looking in thier own mirror - POST Mother Angelica. She wasnt perfect, but since shes been out of charge EWTN has indeed and is falling victim to many of the issues the article covered.
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Colin Donovan has an STL, but not a Doctorate. I agree, the review was very informative…
 
Augustine22 said:
Cathcentist–

About Donovan, why don’t you ask him about his background and education yourself, or any of the other issues if your concerned? See what he says. It might be interesting.

But did Ferrara ever like EWTN even when Mother was in charge? I doubt it. He’s a hardline traditionalist. And Sungenis was fired from EWTN after his attacks on JPII and his Jewish conspiracy theories. And from what I see I don’t think he has a real degree beyond what Donovan has but he’s running a whole apostolate that writes on theology, politics, other religions, history…lumengentleman.com/content.asp?id=242

I have to say though that the review wasn’t as bad as it might have been. Maybe some things have changed there. But I noticed that he had lots of praise for the part of Ferrara’s book that goes after Jews. But that’s not really a surprise because of all of the things he has to say on that score himself. Still, I watch EWTN sometimes and I think that to take the time to write a whole book warning people about how bad it is just seems a little odd.

Could something be not as good or a problem? Sure I guess. But a whole book?
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Do the folks at Lumengentlemen have theology degrees?
 
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