A serious question for our non-catholic friends please

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so once you have taken communion nd made the choice to follow Jesus, isn’t communion a remembrance, didn’t Jesus say to do this in remembrance of me? what more are you speaking of and is it in the catholic beliefs or personal?

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From a Lutheran POV, Christ tells us, yes, in remembrance of Him. What are we to do in remembrance of Him? He tells us: “Take and eat. This** is **my body.” So, the call for is for us to eat and drink His body and blood in remembrance of Him. The phrase “in remembrance” does not indicate that His previous words were anything less than east His body and drink His blood.

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From a Lutheran POV, Christ tells us, yes, in remembrance of Him. What are we to do in remembrance of Him? He tells us: “Take and eat. This** is **my body.” So, the call for is for us to eat and drink His body and blood in remembrance of Him. The phrase “in remembrance” does not indicate that His previous words were anything less than east His body and drink His blood.

Jon
Correct! He didn’t say this is a remembrance of my body. The act is a remembrance by partaking of His body, not the remembrance of His body.
 
To sum up my position, a poem:

He was the Word that spake it,
He took the bread and brake it,
And what that Word did make it,
I do believe and take it!
But that’s the whole point - what exactly DID ‘that Word’ make of the bread? Really His body and nothing else? Really His body but also still bread? A mere symbol or memento?

The poem, with all respect, is wishy washy bunk. Christ did something at the Last Supper - He promised to teach us all truth through the Spirit - yet you appear to believe He chose not to teach us what exactly happened, which makes a mockery of His promise to teach us all truth, no? Especially when we’re talking about such an important and contentious issue.
 
Hi Ben:)

Speaking only for ME here…

I never took lighly the position of Calvin and others.



I can’t comprehend how anyone; no matter how sincere, can claim its only a “sign, symbol or reminder of.”🤷

Still confused:rolleyes:

God Bless,
pat/PJM
Sorry PJM for my poor writing - I know you don’t take anyones views lightly.

If I may reiterate my point: even Calvin would be left confused with what he would see in some of the more distant protestants when it comes to the eucharist. Even though his theology was lacking, he knew something sacramental and holy was occurring.

My gut reaction to discarding the true meaning of the eucharist is that it’s akin to turning your back of the Grace that God gives - I know no-one means to do this, but that’s what it seems like.
 
You are quite welcome. Where, may I ask, are you receiving communion?
I grew up going to an Assemblies of God church. Then a few leaders from an Assemblies of God church a couple towns away started a Newlife church. Same basic principles but appeals to the younger generation.
 
SteveVH, that was beautiful, that was exactly the answer I was looking for. Thank you for that. I really believe that it should be taken that literally, and I have struggled to make more meaning of it everytime I take communion. I tried to not become complacent so I really agree with the church on this. thanks steve vh

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Here are book suggestions…try borrowing them from your local library…to truly deepen your understanding of the Eucharist:

amazon.com/Jesus-Jewish-Roots-Eucharist-Unlocking/dp/0385531842

amazon.com/Lambs-Supper-Mass-Heaven-Earth/dp/0385496591/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1357971493&sr=1-1&keywords=scott+hahn+lamb+supper
 
But the Holy Eucharist is not itself a sacrifice. Christ’s death on the cross was once and for all. That does not mean however that he is not bodily present in the Eucharist.
 
I notice there aren’t too many protestants to give their answer. Or the ones who do adress this question are in a separated Church from Rome, but still do believe there is a reality of Jesus’ body and blood in their communion. I guess it is understandable that not too many are using a site called catholic answers.
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I grew up in a non-denominational church turned evangelical free. They would practice communion as symbolic. I think there are many reasons why they believe it, but none hold to real deep meaning or truth.
I have heard, like mentioned, the accusation that Roman Catholic Mass crucifies Jesusl over and over. This is a doctine of demons if I ever heard one! It uses fear to keep children (unstudied christians) from being obedient to one faith.

Also, I’ve heard accusations that it is cannibolism. Which again uses fear. We don’t think what is from heaven is the same as the rest of us. But I can see where this can be hard to expain.

In John’s account, Jesus says, “my words are spirit and life, flesh profits nothing” So this is also used to discredit literal interpretation. but this would mean He is asking us to eat bread that symbolizes His body, which symbolizes His Spirit. So that doesn’t add up.

And a big one we’ve all heard is, “We do this to remember Him and what he did.” As our good friend SteveVH has noted, this rememberence Jesus mentions is not the same as “to remember”. And eating a bread and little wine doesn’t help anyone remember Jesus if we aren’t considering Himself to be truly given in the Bread and Wine.

It aslo stems from a fear that man made a ritual out of a more simple notion. And rituals are like black magic or something. And you could say the same for Baptism and other Sacraments we hold where grace is transfered through matter. But they don’t have a problem with acknowledging a divine act of God joining a man and woman into one body in a ceremony of marriage.

In the end, I think it really depends on the individual as to their blameworthiness in denying the Catholic Sacrament. Leaders and pastors of these beliefs are more guilty. But those raised from childhood are just being obedient to their parents and teachers. Its a hard obsticle to overcome since some of them have good genuine faith!

God Bless,
Michael

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I notice there aren’t too many protestants to give their answer. Or the ones who do adress this question are in a separated Church from Rome, but still do believe there is a reality of Jesus’ body and blood in their communion. I guess it is understandable that not too many are using a site called catholic answers.
I believe this subject has been discussed on a few threads fro various angles:
Intrigued by Catholicism, but just can’t convert for many reasons
Do we really want another 500 years of division between Catholics and Protestants?
Commuion and non Catholics. Not sure, something to check out…

It might be these had at least a few more Protestants responding, but I am not sure; just offering. I’ll say here what I have said on one of the above; Not all Protestants believe this scarament to be symbolic only. And not just Anglicans, Lutherans, etc.
 
I’ll say here what I have said on one of the above; Not all Protestants believe this scarament to be symbolic only. And not just Anglicans, Lutherans, etc.
right on bro,
I did try to make that clear. And I did see some of that thread about another 500 years.
Kinda funny post. But you are right, This is no new topic and I didn’t mean that I think protestants are afraid to share their view or that all aspects of the symbol view are stupid. I think those of us who believe in transubstantiation should be more understanding how much faith is required for someone brought up in a totally different theology to make that assent. Because the thing about the Roman Catholic view is that it is truly connected to all of its teachings, doctrines, practices, and worship. This takes alot of faith formation!
And believing in the sacrament and truly honoring it between us and our Father can be two different things. This is where those looking in from outside the faith are tempted to not see a true result (good one especially). And we must take these faults of our “disfunctional” brothers and sisters upon us, because it affects the whole body.
 
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so once you have taken communion nd made the choice to follow Jesus, isn’t communion a remembrance, didn’t Jesus say to do this in remembrance of me? what more are you speaking of and is it in the catholic beliefs or personal?
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In Catholic RIGHT understanding the “HOST” is a “thing”

The Consecrated Host Hoverver is ; IS, IS Jesus Christ In Person:thumbsup:

In saying “do this in commeration of Me” Jesus was COMMANDING the Mass; the Sacred Liturgy; Catholic Holy Communion. He is speaking of the “act of remembering Him” THROUGH these MOST Blessed and Most Sacred realities.🙂
 
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