A Simple Timeline Proves the Early Church was Catholic---revised

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Ignatious and Eucharistic statements are still universal .Apparently he addresses those who thought Christ came not in the flesh, certainly a bigger error than real presence vs. symbolic or otherwise presence/explanation .He goes onto say they also do not believe in His death /resurrection , nor do any good corporal works. Certainly tough to use his statements against most protestsants . He says these heretics obstain totally from communion and prayer.This is found in his short form but is totally absent from the long form where he only states they are ashamed of the cross, mock His passion and resurrection . For this reason I believe he admonishes the bishop or his appointee to administer the “love feast”, to keep away from heretical “christians”. He does say he desires to drink His blood, but the context, I think, is mainly association with his eminent martyrdom. One form says there is “one cup ,one flesh” but the long form says “one loaf, one cup” . He says the breaking of bread is the "medicine of immortality “. He does mention altar but he twice says it is for “thanksgiving”. He also gives beautiful symbolism of his martyrdom to bread of Christ ,that he (Ignatius) is the " wheat of God”, like may his martyrdom be to His glory and for the strenghtening of the church. Again ,I see his statements quite "universal " that is “pure” and easy to be “unified” with.
 
Finally on Ignatius: “wherever Jesus is , there is the catholic church. Where the bishop is, a multitude is with him”. This can simply and “purely” and universally be applied to most Christendom. He also says Christians can be known for their conduct .He does not say a christian is one who is baptized ,or at least the inference to me is that just because he professes to be, and may be sacramental even , it does not mean he is born again , or have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. He also complains of those who believe only what is in the “archives” and don’t see Christ in them . His response to them is beautiful , that the “spirit tells me” that Jesus is the Christ (that Spirit behind the “archives” is alive and well, and talks to me - my paraphrase). He then goes on to show the "archives’ do indeed speak and foretell of the Lord. This is so universal , that you must be born again /illumined, to even understand the "archives, be you a sola scriptura or scriptura/tradition /church person. Either way ,“the spirit must tell you”… He speaks of unity many times , and I am sure Catholics look to protestants as lacking . But he also says stay away from heretical ideas. His church was much more simple and universal and apparently had not time to develop dogma that dealt with pope, or Mary doctrine, or celibacy or effectual sacraments ,things that divide us today .We are today unified however, in the simple gospel message that he died for , and indeed helped lay our foundation. Here is how one historian capsulized Ignatius: to pray without ceasing, every wound is not healed the same way, the times are demanding us and look for one who is above the times, the crown is immortality, stand like a beaten anvil , slight not our “servants”, let stewardship define your work, a christian is not his own master, but waits upon God… His epistles demand careful reading , but are worth every effort .Alleluia
 
Epistle of Barnabus (100 A.D.) At first, a tiring reading , lot of old testament stuff, not much relevant to denominational debate , until the end …“that since I began to speak among you, I understand many things, because the Lord hath accompanied me in the way of righteousness”. It seems the Lord was his discerner/interpreter of the present church situations. In ch.2 talks against sacrifices and incense, being Jewish and abolished…" we having trusted in cross, have gone down into the water" talks of baptism and remission of sins. Does not say it is effectual ,says you trust in cross first ,then are baptized. He remains quite universal , the cross, baptism ,the forgiveness of sins. .“Whosoever shall hear thee speaking, and believe, shall live forever (as Abraham did apart from circumcision)-my paraphrase”…ch16- “we receive forgiveness, we trust, we are new creatures, he dwells in us (says this twice)”…“He then who wishes to be saved, looks not to man (preacher),but to him who dwelleth in him, and speaks to him”. This is very universally evangelical- and the same is uttered today in places who will…Ch 18- " two ways of doctrine and authority, one of light and one of darkness" Ch.19- “Thou shalt not slay the child by procuring abortion,nor destroy it after it is born “.WOW !-…He goes on to cite 46 “thou shalt” and “shalt not” exhortations, many ten commandment type others to holiness. With all of these i did not find any ceremony /tradition sacrament or church debate stuff that is not universal to all christian faiths…” Meditate how to save a soul by the word. …“By the hands thou shalt labor for the redemption of thy sins”-Is this James and works produced by faith or is it simply work you bum as part of Adamic curse/redemption ? He was very much in O.T…“Preserve what you have received, don’t add or subtract” How much stuff that we talk about has not even been touched/mentioned by the Fathers so far ? He does say “confess your sins”, though not to whom…Ch 21- " It is well, that he who has learned the judgements of the Lord, as many as have been written, should walk in them”. This was around 100 A.D. -all new testament was written ,though not fully disseminated. Sorry , this is catholic and should be maintained today…“I beseech you who are superiors…show kindness”- This to me does not go beyond scripture and it’s mentioned offices…"Be good lawgivers, one to another ,and be ye taught of God, inquiring diligently what the Lord asks of you " Very evangelical and universal. This perfectly matches O.T. that prophesizes of the law being written on our heart and that every neighbor shall teach his neighbor …Overall, Barnabus is quite universal/catholic , and any Christian would be encouraged in the the simple, yet profound and powerful, faith of our forefathers.Thank-you
 
The Didache-(anywhere from 60 -150 A.D). Similar to previous writings discussed as it is similar time frame .A lot of similar stuff to Barnabus.I do not see any new items , and henceforth the Didache presents a very catholic /universal Christian message , good for protetsants ,catholics ,orthodox alike.That is not to say some items are up for discussion , as there is in Holy Scripture also…Here are some points: after admonishing respect for the speaker of God’s word, he also says to “daily seek out the saints and find rest in their words”-(4:4). I see this as fellow brethren , still alive, to build each other up. I do not know if Catholics see it as heavenly saints. " In church thou shalt confess they transgressions, and shall not betake thyself to prayer with an evil conscience"-(4:14). This definitely is a honing in on scripture of confessing of your faults one to another, as in “church”. Certainly catholics and protestants see this as a foundation,and I understand there is evidence in later writings of confessing before the congregation, as many protestants have done, and some continue . It is not explicit to a “confessor’’ or a “confessional” at this point ,in my opinion. It may not even be any verbal confession but simply to make sure you always confess to the Father (says clean conscience /confessing is “a way of life”). For sure the context is for effectual prayer , as depicted in the “Our Father” and Jesus talking of the justified publican(?) who in his prayer and offering said,” Lord, forgive me a sinner “-both cases show a confession to the Father, and certainly one should begin a service/mass with a clean conscience.Jesus also says before offering to make amends first to anyone you offended, you would think especially a brethren at the church service/mass. …Just my thoughts…If I concede it should be verbal and in church ,Catholics should concede it does not say to a priest or confessor… It ,like Barnabus , says hold on to the commandments given you , do not add or detract (although Barnabus says stick to what is written)…Baptism is talked of , the formula (name of the father and …) ,and running water and fasting a day or two before. It seems immersion is preferred , but if not, sprinkling. Says nothing of “regenerative” , but I would think the baptized is a believer before , because he is asked to fast along with other brethren. Certainly not for infants, for they can not fast .( 7)…The Eucharist is next ,do not believe it shows transubstantiation, but could be gleaned , after all, it is gleaned from scripture also by Catholics. Do talk of” cup" in Jewish terms, holy vine of David, and a remembrance, of knowledge thru Jesus. Same for the “broken bread”, and knowledge thru Jesus .It seems to be an offering, for which we give thanks, for His Holy Name ,which tabernacles in our hearts, and for the knowledge , faith and immortality given by Jesus. It also says he “did bestow upon us spiritual food and drink, and eternal life thru Jesus” (10:3) I have no problem with this ,and see it for what it is, outside of transubstantiation. I am sure Catholics will herald it as otherwise .It is no different than scripture, and does not add any further insight The Didache says nothing of His Flesh and Blood directly. It certainly says we are His monstrance, and indicates no other , and certainly no other to be worshipped, not at this time, or writing…“And on the Lord’s day gather yourselves together and break bread and give thanks, first confessing your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure.” Make sure you are reconciled to all.(14:2) I would say the sacrifice is praise and thanksgiving (eucharist). It says nothing of the sacrifice of " blood and flesh"…It says “appoint yourselves bishops and deacons”, that seems to mean local autonomy, that is the local congregation prays and annoints bishops ,and not an overseeing church heirarchy. Again ,no pope alluded to in the Didache. …To finalize ,the Didache seems universal and shows only a simple, catholic church, acceptable to protestants and Catholics alike, I suppose,especially if the Catholic believes that some of it’s doctrines evolved over time( as some have confessed here at Catholic Answers).
 
David Ruiz are you done posting rants here?

You do know the Didache is a Catholic Church document. It was comprised to seperate the Catholic faithful from the heretics. It summarized what was common Catholic faith practice for all those coming into the Catholic church.

You just mutilated this ancient Christian document and filled it with your 21st century mindset of understanding that are foreign to the Document interpretation. These Catholics who recorded this document for her members, never heard of your ( i ) new understanding and interpretation of applying this document to all protestants and catholics when it was set in place to do the opposite.

The OP is "a simple timeline proves the Early Church was Catholic;

No one ever heard of Martin Luther or any of the reformers "new " theologies on Sola Scriptura, Sola fide, during this time, from when the Catholic church existed from antiquity.

These Catholic Christians practiced a Mass, celebrated the Eucharist unchanged as Catholics practice them today.

It would benefit you to learn what and how these Early Catholic Christians practiced their faith, instead of forcing a foreign interpretation to their teachings writings.

The Early Saints practiced Catholicism, they were bishops and Popes etc… its all there for you to see.

It is protestantism and their new teaching reformation that has removed itself from these revealed teachings from Jesus and the apostles still maintained in the Catholic Church today unchanged.

I wish you peace and a safe journey:)
 
David Ruiz are you done posting rants here?

You do know the Didache is a Catholic Church document. It was comprised to seperate the Catholic faithful from the heretics. It summarized what was common Catholic faith practice for all those coming into the Catholic church.

You just mutilated this ancient Christian document and filled it with your 21st century mindset of understanding that are foreign to the Document interpretation. These Catholics who recorded this document for her members, never heard of your ( i ) new understanding and interpretation of applying this document to all protestants and catholics when it was set in place to do the opposite.

The OP is "a simple timeline proves the Early Church was Catholic;

No one ever heard of Martin Luther or any of the reformers "new " theologies on Sola Scriptura, Sola fide, during this time, from when the Catholic church existed from antiquity.

These Catholic Christians practiced a Mass, celebrated the Eucharist unchanged as Catholics practice them today.

It would benefit you to learn what and how these Early Catholic Christians practiced their faith, instead of forcing a foreign interpretation to their teachings writings.

The Early Saints practiced Catholicism, they were bishops and Popes etc… its all there for you to see.

It is protestantism and their new teaching reformation that has removed itself from these revealed teachings from Jesus and the apostles still maintained in the Catholic Church today unchanged.

I wish you peace and a safe journey:)
Thank you Gabriel of 12. 👍
 
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