A single Biblical passage to undermine all of mormonism.

[BJRumph]

And as a followup post, I’d like to add a general Kudos to the exmos on this thread. each of you has contributed something personally worthwhile in one or more of your posts here, that has made this most recent dip into the Abyss edifying. Which is something very difficult to accomplish in these waters (and they are certainly the clearest I have ever seen!), and something I generally could never say in this type of discussion (and why I have been largely absent, and will continue to be so on this sub-forum).

Additionally, until my post, I think it has been far more civil than many of the others. Sorry if I came across too abrasive. I don’t repent of the message, just maybe the tone. Good job majik.

Thanks.

Inter arma Caritas

 

[honeybear]

BJ Colbert:

majick275:

Well at least BJ made an honest effort to answer my questions. I have yet to see any other LDS folks provide such direct answers.

I am a little disappointed that you chose to use this as a springboard for attacks on Catholic beleifs that should probably be in their own threads as they have little or nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Actually, I was quite disappointed in myself for pointing out that others misunderstand Catholic beliefs in the same way you misunderstand(and continue to misunderstand LDS beliefs)
If I knew how to put one of those headbanging characters here I would do so. But, you have to admit it looks like idolotry to others, who don’t understand. Just as you say we worship many Gods and think we will become gods. It is just because you don’t understand the process.
Think of your saints and the process and you will understand better, it is only in the wording and maybe we should use the word saints in place of gods, but make them married instead of single. Can you understand that concept? But then I pointed that out many times and you skip right over that. So I guess you don’t comprehend the similarity.
However, you still think it is easy for someone to reach exhaltation and it is not at all. Did you read the 17 items plus the first items that describe the ordinances to be performed in addition to following all of the other 17 requirements to enter the Celestial Kingdom.
I myself think it is much easier for Catholics, because all they have to do is go to Mass every week.
They can then go out and party and picnic the rest of the Sabbath day, and not give another thought to God. Our parish even has carnivals on Sunday in the parking lot. That sounds like the money changers in the temple to me. What is the difference?

My husband is frantic if he might miss Mass one Sunday as it is a mortal sin and he will be sent to Perdition for that alone, no matter what good he does in his life, if he misses mass it is a mortal sin. That does not make sense. He is paralyzed on his right side and that means I must take him to mass, so there I must go to the Catholic Church and then also go to my Church. I think they should make some kind of allowances for people who are unable to get to Mass on their own. But, no, they go to hell with the rest of the mass shirkers.
Just a bit harsh in my opinion, and my husband could be misunderstanding, but he has been told missing mass is a mortal sin, possibly worse than committing murder or adultry, at least on the same level according to the Catholic Church. But, he has also been told that whatever the sin if he confesses and is repentant on his deathbed he will be saved and go to heaven. The Catholic radio priest told him to make sure his wife calls a priest to his bedside when he dies or he will be cast down to hell. This causes great stress, as his health is poor and if he dies without a priest he will be doomed.
But that is another subject. I still believe in Isaiah, we LDS worship the ONE and ONLY GOD(big G) Thank you for your kindness in your post, I do appreciate your words. I’m Just frustrated with trying to understand the Catholic religion, and trying to explain something you will never understand. BJ

Colbert- this is amazing. Not only have you displayed a remarkable ignorance of what the religion you profess to believe teaches, (LDS), but an equally deplorable knowledge of Catholicism. I hope and pray that some day you will take your soul and God seriously enough to honestly study one or the other. God disapproves wholeheartedly of the lukewarm soul and your posts simply show us that you have not cared enough to study either religion.

 

[allhers]

furthermore, why not just take your husband to confession NOW? and a Priest can explain to him that he is not in mortal sin. (if what you say about him is true.)

 

[MEP]

I’m not Mormon, but I think I found your answer…

From fairlds.org “I Have Said, ‘Ye are Gods’”: Concepts Conducive to the Early Christian Doctrine of Deification in Patristic Literature and the Underlying Strata of the Greek New Testament Text by D. Charles Pyle

Today, Latter-day Saints are lambasted left and right for believing the doctrines that were taught since the days of Joseph Smith, namely, the ideas that God was once a man and that man could someday become like God–becoming gods themselves as others had done before. Controversy has even been found to exist among members of the Church because there are several differing views and explanations offered in relation to the doctrines. The reason for these differences of opinion is that there is not much that is revealed upon that subject. We have a few statements contained in our canonized scriptures and the various statements of Joseph Smith and others as attempts to exposit the meaning of the doctrine of deification as taught in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Other than that, we really do not know a lot about it, precisely as President Hinckley has suggested in recent interviews with the media.

That’s just one of many articles I found when I simply typed “eternal progression” into the FAIR search form. Really, I think we could’ve all saved ourselves some trouble (and potentially some harsh comments) if someone had thought of this sooner.

It would seem that the primary reason no one has provided an answer that satisfies majick’s question is because no one seems to have the answer (the “fullness” of this particular doctrine has not yet been revealed to LDS prophets).

Can we move on now?

 

[Joe_Monahan]

This thread appears to have run its course and is beginning to demonstrate a lack of charity.

It is now closed. Thanks to all who have participated.

Joe