A Spirituality of Imperfection - St. Therese of Lisieux

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I thought I had posted this quite a while back, did an Advanced Search and nothing came up, so I thought I would post it…

http://showcase.netins.net/web/solitude/Therese1896.jpg**…**Thérèse

St. Therese
Spirituality of Imperfection
Finding Strength in Weakness
showcase.netins.net/web/solitude/vilma5.html

Here are another couple of essays I found on the Spirituality of Imperfection…………I don’t necessarily hold to every word personally, but there sure are some gems in here.

This is perhaps a little complex
nouwenlegacy.com/essay.pdf

Not hard to read, nor lengthy…………a few gems in it:
journeywithjesus.net/Essays/20060130JJ.shtml
 
I thought I had posted this quite a while back, did an Advanced Search and nothing came up, so I thought I would post it…

http://showcase.netins.net/web/solitude/Therese1896.jpg**…**Thérèse

St. Therese
Spirituality of Imperfection
Finding Strength in Weakness
showcase.netins.net/web/solitude/vilma5.html

Here are another couple of essays I found on the Spirituality of Imperfection…………I don’t necessarily hold to every word personally, but there sure are some gems in here.

This is perhaps a little complex
nouwenlegacy.com/essay.pdf

Not hard to read, nor lengthy…………a few gems in it:
journeywithjesus.net/Essays/20060130JJ.shtml
Excellent post! Bears re-reading.
 
when i read things like this, i feel like i am from another planet. it is so foreign to me and un-understandable. i just don’t get it.
 
when i read things like this, i feel like i am from another planet. it is so foreign to me and un-understandable. i just don’t get it.
Hi again Dan71…I just wanted to acknowledge your sentiments above. I am hoping by now you may have caught up with my response to your thread “Absence” HERE and my advice, born of my own sense of helplessness in your situation (but I will be keeping you in daily prayer) applies also in the context of your post above. I realize that probably I am not much help to you at all and I only wish that I could be, but as in my post into “Absence” to which I refer above, my own feelings are that all I can do really is suggest that you do seek some sort of spiritual direction, which will be able to give your concerns and confusions the full attention and time that they may deserve and need. Unavailable, I dont think, through these Forums - although I am praying that another Poster may be of more help to you than I have been.

God’s blessings at this time of difficulty for you, and with my regards with much hope for solutions for you…Barb:)
 
Dear dang71,

Just piggybacking on what BarbaraTherese said, I can understand that frustration. Before I got serious about my relationship with God, often spiritual reading sounded Greek to me, too.

Her spiritual direction suggestion is an excellent one. Another thing you can try are the Seven Steps to Self-Deliverance. While the steps are geared toward helping someone who is having issues of demonization, those steps could easily be called the “Seven Steps to Improving Your Relationship With God.”

I recommend that process for anyone struggling spiritually, whether or not they think demons may be involved. The reason I mention those steps like a broken record around here is because I followed them myself, and now I have a completely new life in Christ as a result.

The kind of thing that you’ve written about is very similar to the state I was in - just add a lot of bitterness, cynicism and mortal sin to that and you have what I was before.

I no longer worry about things like “what does God want me to do?” since I know he will send those things to me. I don’t have to go out anxiously and desperately searching and grasping.

Instead, I just trust in God’s providence, and I am deeply and madly in love with God. ❤️ You can be, too, if you want it. Those steps I suggested are one place you can start.
 
Another thing you can try are the Seven Steps to Self-Deliverance. While the steps are geared toward helping someone who is having issues of demonization, those steps could easily be called the “Seven Steps to Improving Your Relationship With God.”

… and I am deeply and madly in love with God. ❤️ You can be, too, if you want it. Those steps I suggested are one place you can start.
The seven steps you mention is very long. While I did not read word by word, I glanced it through. It is very good, indeed.

I am glad you are in love with Him. So do I. 👍
 
The seven steps you mention is very long. While I did not read word by word, I glanced it through. It is very good, indeed.

I am glad you are in love with Him. So do I. 👍
Yep - it’s not a process you can do all in one day. Just one step at a time - I spent about 3 weeks on those steps.
 
when i read things like this, i feel like i am from another planet. it is so foreign to me and un-understandable. i just don’t get it.
Hi again!..I did catch up with your post here in the other thread advising that you felt posters had given you some good advice and that you needed to ponder, even internalize, these things. Great work! and the mark of a truly great soul when in great confusion to admit thus and publicly and to seek help…and to have the spiritual insight to sight good advice and again a great soul who then takes time to ponder it.

We humans are in need of help at times (and this in part is what a spiritual director or direction is about - clarifying for us our difficulties and confusions) and this is inclusive of every single human journey…and it is the virtues of prudence and wisdom that insights when we are in difficulty and need help and humility that expresses this and quite honestly and in a straightforward manner, p(name removed by moderator)ointing their difficulty, and publicly I think is a well grounded humility…and is actually seeking help. Great work! I hope and most sincerely that when I next need help and I will, I can imitate you.

If others may find me for example at times “difficult to play with” at times (and I know I can be!!!😃 )…perhaps it is simply that I am in real difficulty understanding and sometimes I am indeed, and trying hard to understand.
“Faith seeking understanding”…I think this is the motto on these Forums…anyway I think it was CAF forums. And it is a saying either from one of our saints, perhaps some pope or some person who had much insight and wisdom. We have every right to seek ardently and assiduously to understand insofar as we may be able, and certainly to seek thus when all others seem to understand. ONYA D71!..as we Aussie’s say! …(translation “good upon you”)

God bless and my very warm regards…Barb:)
PS and a complete aside…Sometimes and to His own good purpose often totally mysterious to us, The Lord can so blind and darken the intellect and understanding that even (exaggeration) the common understanding and agreement that l + l =2 is confusing to us. Later our understanding and intellect released by The Lord from its darkness…we can be totally astounded at why we never on earth could understand it in the first place. Act of God sometimes.
 
Hope you don’t mind if I interpret the thread Therese’s “Spirituality of Imperfection” through her guidance of her sister Celine?

Therese Martin has inspired generations of individuals to live the gospel way of spiritual childhood, including her family. In Celine Martin’s “Counsels and Reminiscences”, we note that while Therese died a saint at twenty-four, Celine strove against her imperfections until her holy death in her ninetieth year. Celine remained pupil of her young sister. When Therese, as her novice mistress, warned Celine what form her spiritual struggle would take, she might have been speaking any of us.

"You must never believe, when you don’t practice virtue, that it is due to some natural cause like illness, time, or grief. You must draw a great lesson in humility from it and take your place among the little souls, since you are able to practice virtue only in such a feeble manner.” Therese added, "What is necessary for you now is not to practice heroic virtues but to acquire humility. For that, your victories must of necessity always be mixed with failures, so that you cannot take any pleasure in thinking about them.”

Celine wrote of her struggle “with the faults that constantly kept me in a state of humiliation, for, due to my impulsive temperament, I often had little outbursts with the sisters that afflicted me a great deal on account of my self-love. I thought my exterior was deceiving, that I was better than I appeared to be: from that, I developed a certain frustration at not being judged at my true worth. Then my little sister endeavoured, by her penetrating instruction embellished with symbolic stories adapted to my circumstances, to make me love the shame I was in.” “She made me find my joy in believing that I was a ‘very little soul’ whom God constantly had to support because it was nothing but weakness and imperfection.”

As her saintly sister lived painfully through her final illness, Celine sadly asked of her, “Do you think I can ever hope to be near you in heaven? It seems impossible to me; it is like a little one-armed person trying to catch something high up on a slippery pole.” The Saint replied with a smile, “What if there is a giant who takes the little one-armed person on His arm, raises her very high, and gives her the desired object? That is what God will do with you, but you must not worry about it, you must say to God: ‘I know I will never be worthy of what I hope for, but I take Your hand like a little beggar and I am sure that You will grant me my wish fully, because You are so good.’”

During her life, Celine continued to serve and strive in humble love. Close to her death, during her prolonged last agony, Celine said,“Up until now I have been wanting in bearing this witness to Jesus as I wished. I have not practiced virtue as I would have liked; I have given witness only to my weakness and my imperfection.” Many years previously, Therese had written to Celine, “Jesus is happy with little Celine…He is prouder of what He does in her soul, of her littleness and her poverty, than He is of the millions of stars He created and the expanse of the heavens.” “Let us humbly rank ourselves among the imperfect and esteem ourselves little souls whom the good God sustains at each moment. As soon as He sees us convinced of our nothingness, He extends His hand to us.”

Dear Celine! Even seven months before her death, she sent a note to a Sister whom she feared she had disedified,“‘Oh! How you touched me last night by your kindness, your meekness, your affection; me, who showed myself so headstrong; I humbly ask your pardon’.” She signed it by the name sometimes used amongst her sisters during childhood, “little repentant Celine.” Towards the end, she wrote, “If I consider where I am, I notice that I have not gone forward but backward…And there is astonishing peace even though it exists in darkness. I take as my own this passage from a prayer of Saint Thomas Aquinas: ‘At distant intervals, Lord, You draw me out of my lethargy, but alas! They are only passing visits. I do not know if You love me or I love You…I do not even know if I live by faith! I find only infidelity in myself, only random beginnings…and yet I long for You!’”

“Oh! Yes, I too, but I am not discouraged; and for many years have taken comfort in this verse of Psalm 63… “Oh God, my God, for You I long, for You my soul is thirsting. My body pines for You like a dry weary land without water. So I gaze on You in the sanctuary to see Your strength and Your glory; for Your mercy is better than life.” “I feel this so deeply that, in my imperfection, although I regret it, thrill with happiness at the thought that God’s mercy is better than life. Perfection, the possession of virtues, spiritual consolations, is what I call ‘life’. ‘Death’ is the state in which I am now, in that dry weary land without water. This state does not prevent me however, from approaching God with assurance, as if I were perfect, because I know it and feel it that ‘His mercy is better than life.’…Yes, I rely only on God’s mercy and on His compassion; I want to arouse His compassion by my poverty, for I know that is how I will have gained all."
(as in my journal) If we think we can recognise our own journey within Therese’s spirituality of imperfection of spirituality in Celine, wait till we get to Therese’s spirituality as reflected in their sister Leonie
 
Therese’s sister Leonie as a witness of Therese’s Spirituality of Imperfection
…Leonie was regarded as the ‘difficult child’ who led her dying mother to grieve, “I just don’t know what to do with her.” …
Leonie knew that she lacked her sisters’ enthusiastic piety and according to her mother, she “will not pray to the Lord unless she has no choice.” Yet when at her own request her mother shared with her the life of Jesus, Leonie wept when listening to her account of the Passion. With this love of Jesus and with meek awareness of her faults, Leonie actually revealed the seeds of the true gospel spirituality and of the humility that was later to lead to holiness.

Leonie shared none of the holy sentiments of her sisters in receiving her First Communion (May 1875, at age twelve). Later she confessed, “that day was not the finest of my life; my childhood and youth were spent in suffering the bitterest trials.” Her severest trial was in recognising that although like her sisters she knew the catechism thoroughly, she remained prone to moodiness and temper outbursts.

Leonie was aware of the anxiety that her behaviour caused. She agonised over her own incorrigibility and self-perceived inferiority. However, to the surprise and some regretful scepticism of family, when her aunt lay dying, Leonie wrote to her requesting that she intercede with God that she be granted conversion and grace “to be a true religious.” Although less favoured than her sisters, Leonie’s aspirations reveal God’s blessing upon this troubled adolescent. Leonie endured several unsuccessful attempts to enter Religious life, and only succeeded in becoming a professed Religious after the death of her saintly youngest sister…

Following two failed attempts at Religious life, Leonie’s limitations were further highlighted when her youngest sister Therese entered Carmel at fifteen. Soon afterwards, Leonie found herself responsible for caring for their father alongside Celine, but with the three sisters in Carmel writing for news of him, addressed their letters to Celine, with only brief postscripts to Leonie. Despite their goodness, the Martin sisters appeared unable to take Leonie seriously, thus reinforcing her poor self-esteem, although she accepted these things humbly as her due.
Three years later, Leonie made a retreat with the Visitation Sisters whom she frequently visited. Subsequently she received permission to enter the convent. At this time, Therese began to write letters that remained to encourage Leonie.

Therese wrote, “Jesus is well pleased with you; I know it; although He still allows you infidelities in your heart. I am sure that the actions of love, which He gathers up, outnumber them by far. Which of us two Therese’s will be more fervent? Whichever is more humble, more united to Jesus, more faithful in performing every action through love. Oh, let us pray for each other that we may be equally faithful…Let us not refuse Him even the smallest sacrifice; everything is so important in religion, that even picking up a pin, if it is done through love, can convert a soul. What a great mystery! It is Jesus alone who can give such value to our actions; let us love Him with all our hearts.”

…Leonie’s position always remained humble, however she was happy with “little sacrifices known only to Jesus”, her “little nothings” that she offered for the salvation of souls “as little as I am myself.” She had special compassion for anyone in sadness or difficulty, having experienced these from infancy. “I have suffered greatly from my inferiority,” she wrote, “I have felt keen isolation of heart—of every kind. I experience the same difficulties again and again; worries, dislikes and weariness of all sorts. But I feel that all these kinds of torments are a purification —that God is at work; and I thank Him for all of it.”

“I know well that Jesus asks nothing of His lowly little one except effort; and so I am far from being discouraged, for I want to remain in my complete helplessness, which is my strength. By this childish ruse I touch the heart of God.” Clearly, Leonie had learned well to put into practice the Little Way of spiritual childhood witnessed by Therese.

Leonie’s Carmelite sisters continued to write encouraging letters, as a sense of inferiority and rebellion in infancy and childhood confers some lasting difficulties, and ill health can cause emotional stress. Her sister Pauline wrote, “How God has loved you, and how surprised you will be in Heaven by the glory and love you enjoy! It’s all the same to God if one has a bumpy forehead and crooked teeth!” Leonie was aware of her lack of soundness, as she endured itchy eczema, scalp dermatitis, loss of her ‘crooked teeth’, migraines, nausea, intestinal inflammation, ingrown toenails, and frequent colds that developed into bronchitis or pneumonia. In 1930, her knees required surgery, and henceforward she was unsteady, her condition exacerbated by painful, crippling rheumatism.

Leonie lived with pain and discomfort, however the Visitation community cared very kindly for “the shrivelled old woman” who was unable to “find any comfortable position” for her aching body. “My ailments are increasing,” she wrote, “No part of me is healthy any longer except my eyes, my heart, and my head, thanks be to God—but He can take everything, for everything belongs to Him! I abandon my intelligence, small and poor as it is.” If God desired it of her, Leonie offered to sacrifice everything, even to suffer the feared loss of mental faculties that her father endured.
In 1941, Leonie suffered a stroke as she rose to receive Communion, losing her ability to speak. She lingered for five days until dying on June 17. During those last days, Leonie clutched both a rosary from Marie and a crucifix, mute testimony of her love. When on her last evening two lay sisters brought her roses sent by her Carmelite sisters, Leonie, Therese-like, lovingly unpetalled them over her crucifix. Hearing of her death, thousands ignored Nazi occupation forces to honour this humble Sister. God also appears to honour this woman of ‘little worth’.

I feel that 'poor Leonie" was an excelent example for us of sanctity of the ordinary and even scarred spirit, of the spirituality of imperfection of St Therese of Lisieux.

Sorry for hogging so much space.
 
There is so much in your two Posts, Trishie…overwhelmingly worth the read! It looks as if Mr. and Mrs. Martin (parents of St. Therese) will be canonized and towards the end of this year they are to be beatified and their bodies have been moved to lay near those of St. Therese. How wonderful if the whole family was canonized (reminding me of the book"The Family that Overtook God")…and what encouragement the spirituality of the Martin sisters (I dont know much at all about their parents, except the recent publicity) would bring to those of us who are daily struggling with faults and imperfections and perhaps knowing little else daily.
Thank you very much for sharing, Trishie…and so well worth a read. Can I ask if there is a book available with the exchanges between Therese and her sisters?..Blessings and my regards…Barb:)
 
Dear Barb, there are two volumes of her letters; "St Therese of Lisieux, General correspondence". Volumes 1 & 2
Translated by John Clarke, OCD.
ICS Publications, 1982
I have volume 1. I should have included the source!

Barb, a source for Leonie who was also given a process for beatification, may be found in a “Carmel in the world” magazine but I don’t have the volume number. Do you know any long-term Lay Carmelites who may have a copy to lend you?
Much as we love St Therese, I think Leonie is closer to some of us! I’ve certainly wept for her and hugged her in my heart. She had a sense of humour with it all. She was kind of 'the black sheep" in the family, the one who ''messed up most."
I hope she will be beatified some day.

Thanks for your kindly comments. Bless you too.

Trishie 🙂
 
Dear Barb, there are two volumes of her letters; "St Therese of Lisieux, General correspondence". Volumes 1 & 2
Translated by John Clarke, OCD.
ICS Publications, 1982
I have volume 1. I should have included the source!

Barb, a source for Leonie who was also given a process for beatification, may be found in a “Carmel in the world” magazine but I don’t have the volume number. Do you know any long-term Lay Carmelites who may have a copy to lend you?
Much as we love St Therese, I think Leonie is closer to some of us! I’ve certainly wept for her and hugged her in my heart. She had a sense of humour with it all. She was kind of 'the black sheep" in the family, the one who ''messed up most."
I hope she will be beatified some day.

Thanks for your kindly comments. Bless you too.

Trishie 🙂
Thanks Trishie…I am sure I will be able to track something down. I haven’t read much about the sisters of St. Therese either, nor the parents. We have a very small group of O’Carm Third Order members who do or used to meet at our OCD Carmel here - they were very small and very long term and not at all sure if they still meet at Carmel. Leave it with me and I’ll make a note of our posts here and track something down. Our Carmelite nuns here have quite a large library and they may be able to help me.

From what I read of the exchanges you gave us in your posts, the whole family sounds likely saints and the sisters sound very human saints indeed and great role models. I realy must read up on the sisters and parents of St. Therese and will see what I can find available.

Thanks Trishie!..Barb:)
 
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