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But I think that a lot of this comes from the fact that you know what you get with the EF. If you suggest a OF you don’t know what you’re getting, if a different priest says the Mass you may get a guitar, a saxophone, 12 extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist, and a sermon from a guy with a cheese head on. If you suggest an EF then you know that it will be reverent and pleasing to God.
I once heard an interview with Cardinal Arinze(sp?), on the CAL program. He mentioned that there were plenty of luturgical abuses before the new Pauline mass, it is just that no one recognized them as such, because they could not be understood (everything was in latin). While this may have changed during the use fo the EF of the mass, if the EF ever went back to being the standard liturgy used, I can only assume that the same would be true again.
 
I once heard an interview with Cardinal Arinze(sp?), on the CAL program. He mentioned that there were plenty of luturgical abuses before the new Pauline mass, it is just that no one recognized them as such, because they could not be understood (everything was in latin). While this may have changed during the use fo the EF of the mass, if the EF ever went back to being the standard liturgy used, I can only assume that the same would be true again.
Yes there were abuses before Vatican II, to be sure, but FWIW I assure you the way the EF is celebrated today is a whole lot different from the way the same Mass was celebrated before V2. The environment is different, for one thing. Catechisis for another. Understanding of the role of Latin and the vernacular for still another.
 
Preface 1: I have only scanned the discussion here. Preface 2: I’ve been attending SSPX for about 1 and 1/2 years.

I find this discussion tedious and boring. I am not a Catholic because of Cannon Law. I find nothing compelling, from an evangelation standpoint, about Cannon Law. Therefore, to me, any argument that merely refers to Cannon Law is necessarily circular. It’s sort of like saying, “You must believe in the church because that’s what the church tells you to believe.” This type of reasoning is not only uncompelling, but frankly unattractive.

I am no great scholar of these things, but it seems to all relate to Our Lady of Fatima and the supressed third prophesy. From what I can gather, it seems that the third prophesy has something to do with severe corruption within the church. It makes sense that this prophesy would have been supressed because they really had no choice. To release the prophesy would have caused doubt and dissension. But to supress it has caused problems to fester.

Like most people, I make decisions based on my observations and my reasonings. Here are a few:
  1. Our parish closed due to the priest shortage. In that discussion, it came to light that the nice priest there had not led a a single young man to the priesthood in 40 years. I began to wonder. How many protestant ministers had come out of his parishes? My guess was over a dozen. Like most priests today, he had never talked about birth control from the pulpit, or purgatory, or anything distinctly Catholic. It seemed to me that the modern Catholic church was dying.
  2. I read about things like the Barna report that says that modern Catholics are statistically no different than the rest of the population on various issues. I read things on the internet like CAF where people are constantly struggling with basic issues of faith and morals. Again, I saw that the church had no vital effect on the vast majority of parishioners. I never had to wait in line, for example, for confession. I got plenty of comments, like, “I wonder if seven children is enough for them.”
  3. My family and I attended FSSP and EF mass in our diocese. (By the way, it seems to me that the terms OF and EF are examples of Newspeak and, if anything, should be reversed.) My immediate sense was that the individuals in these groups were wrapped way too tightly. Simply put, though I found the religious services to be lovely and inspiring, I found the people who attended these groups to be, frankly, unattractive. My eventual conclusion was that these groups are highly stressed by having to placate their superiors at the diocese while being marginalized by OF parishioners. I don’t blame them, but I have no desire to be in their shoes.
  4. Ruluctanly, my family and I attended SSPX. There, we found most of what we were looking for without the malarchy. But I don’t view SSPX as the only choice. It is simply the Mass as it was prior to the mistake of Vatican II. I can easily see how the SSPX church has a real effect on its parishioners. It has on me.
  5. Meanwhile, as I see it, Christianity is dying in America. The mainline Protestant churches are closing in droves. Attendance is way down, and the only people attending are old people. The Catholic church is in the midst of a crisis. We don’t have enough new priests to sustain ourselves. Even Hispanics are leaving the Catholic Church. I can’t believe how many young Americans are converting to Islam, and this trend is only just beginning. Homosexuality is now acceptable, practically promoted in some dioceses. It’s even acceptable to cut off one’s genitals and change one’s gender. And you’re talking about Cannon Law! And ecumenicism. Protestants don’t know this, but the Catholic church has always been the anchor that has kept them from drifting off into the wasteland. Well, it seems to me that the Catholic Church has untethered herself and wandered into the land of Rahner and Heidegger. Only God can help us now!
I don’t think so, but perhaps I am wrong to attend SSPX. But you’re not going to convince me from a ship that is drifting off into sea! Drop anchor and get your bearings. When the mainline Catholic church again becomes a church that truly influences and guides its flock, then I’ll consider returning. Of course, I don’t think I’ve ever left.
 
It seems to me that the main reason that most Catholics attend SSPX Masses is because they love the traditional Latin Mass. Is that a fair assessment of most Catholics and the SSPX?

I realize that some Catholics reject Vatican II and have more separatist motives for getting involved with the SSPX. But I like to think that most Catholics are happy to remain loyal to the Pope, the Vatican, and the Church–they just want a Latin Mass. Fair?
Not really.

The common misconception of many is that the issue is all about the TLM. It is not. It is about the faith. That is why there are doctrinal discussions underway.

All should strive to remain loyal to the Pope and to the faith. All should reject novelties that may be taught in parishes as an interpretation of council documents which conflict with what was previously taught by the church. For his part, the Pope is doing his best to correct these problems and more bishops and cardinals are recognizing the problems that have resulted from the V2 documents, which in many cases are not a problem with the documents themselves.

The SSPX is doing its best to bring a visibility to these issues and will continue whether there is a near term regularization of their canonical situation or not.
 
With all due respect, Br JR, I’ve seen too many EF’s discontinued, probably due to underpromotion, distance to travel, time celebrated, etc. While you may be technically correct of the unintention of the SP or UE, I doubt if issuing the moto proprio had the side intent of “let them see how unwanted it is” either. Just saying.
You are correct that it was not the intent of the Apostolic See to “let them see how unwanted it is.” The idea was to respond to a pastoral need of a target population. It was legal to do so, so why not do it?

Some people have turned it into a marketing campaign in the hope that the Tridentine Form will become so commonly used that it will replace the Pauline Form. That’s not so bad, except that they do it in a very obnoxious manner. That . . . is not good. It is one thing to wish for something and another to come across as if one were pushing a commodity or to sound like one has the answer to universal salvation and others are total fools.
But I think that a lot of this comes from the fact that you know what you get with the EF. If you suggest a OF you don’t know what you’re getting, if a different priest says the Mass you may get a guitar, a saxophone, 12 extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist, and a sermon from a guy with a cheese head on. If you suggest an EF then you know that it will be reverent and pleasing to God.
I think that there are exaggerations too. Let’s take some of the examples that you have offered. A guitar, saxaphone, violine or flute are not going to take anything away from the mass, if the music is beautiful and reverent. It’s fine if people love the organ and the Gregorian chant, but they also have to be realistic. Such music has the primacy in liturgical music. Primacy does not mean exclusivity. That was not the intent of the Church when she made this statement about sacred music. The intent is to ensure that such music is never lost, not to exclude the progress of liturgical music. Like any other art form, this too has to grow. It can’t stop at one stage. The Church does not work that way. Bl. John Newman points this out very clearly and logically.

Twelve EMHC may be an overkill, depending on the needs of the parish. Again, this takes nothing away from the sacredness of the mass when these are correctly employed and the movement in and around the sanctuary is well choreographed. I have seen the same done at the local parish where I live. The friars use non-ordained friars to distribute Holy Communion. The congregation is none the wiser. They can’t tell the ordained apart from the non-ordained, for starters. They think that everyone who wears a habit is a priest. But the truth is that there is only one priest in that house and 7 non-ordained brothers. All seven walk onto the sanctuary, get their ciboria and go to their stations with grace. They have taught the movements to the lay EMHCs. My point is that there are parishes that do this very calmly. Just because a person has an allergy to EMHC, does not make the mass any less reverent. The reverence is affected by the confusion that is often the case. This confusion has been eliminated in many parishes.
Yes there were abuses before Vatican II, to be sure, but FWIW I assure you the way the EF is celebrated today is a whole lot different from the way the same Mass was celebrated before V2. The environment is different, for one thing. Catechisis for another. Understanding of the role of Latin and the vernacular for still another.
There is validity to this. The abuses were different, because the situation was different. We have to keep in mind that abuses are not built into the form. Abuses go with people. If you had only the Tridentine form, you would have the same people celebrating the mass. Therefore, you are likely to find many abuses.

Sometimes, what people call abuses are not that at all. We have an EF for the Immaculate Conception. Some people complaint to the superior that there were abuses. When he asked what they were the complaints were that the priest said the canon with a microphone. The prayers were said between the priest and the congregation, not the priest and the server. There were priests on the sanctuary without vestments. The chant was plain, not Gregorian and the Hymns were in the vernacular.

The superior politely explained that Franciscans have always celebrated the EF this way, since 1223. Then you suddenly saw the looks of confusion. These people had never seen an EF celebrated by religious using the customs of a particular religious order. They’re too young. Those who are older, grew up in parishes run by diocesan priests.

My point is that many things that are difficult for us to accept are part of a particular culture, be it a religious community, ethnic group or specific need.

There can be abuse in either form and there have been, but there is also something called “false alarm”. People call abuse things that are allowed by the Church for specific reasons. We need to slow down and allow people to worship using what the Church allows. We need to do it correctly in both forms. And we need to accept what the Church allows, even if we don’t like it.

I don’t like female EMHC. The way that I deal with it is quite simple. I remind myself of something that we were taught in novitiate. “You are to obey, even when you disagree, unless you are asked to sin. You are not to question authority.” So I sit there and remind myself. “I have no right to question this,” and I move on. I’ve done this for so long that I can do it without thinking about it.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF :christmastree1:
 
I think that there are exaggerations too. Let’s take some of the examples that you have offered. A guitar, saxaphone, violine or flute are not going to take anything away from the mass, if the music is beautiful and reverent. It’s fine if people love the organ and the Gregorian chant, but they also have to be realistic. Such music has the primacy in liturgical music. Primacy does not mean exclusivity. That was not the intent of the Church when she made this statement about sacred music. The intent is to ensure that such music is never lost, not to exclude the progress of liturgical music. Like any other art form, this too has to grow. It can’t stop at one stage. The Church does not work that way. Bl. John Newman points this out very clearly and logically.

Twelve EMHC may be an overkill, depending on the needs of the parish. Again, this takes nothing away from the sacredness of the mass when these are correctly employed and the movement in and around the sanctuary is well choreographed. I have seen the same done at the local parish where I live. The friars use non-ordained friars to distribute Holy Communion. The congregation is none the wiser. They can’t tell the ordained apart from the non-ordained, for starters. They think that everyone who wears a habit is a priest. But the truth is that there is only one priest in that house and 7 non-ordained brothers. All seven walk onto the sanctuary, get their ciboria and go to their stations with grace. They have taught the movements to the lay EMHCs. My point is that there are parishes that do this very calmly. Just because a person has an allergy to EMHC, does not make the mass any less reverent. The reverence is affected by the confusion that is often the case. This confusion has been eliminated in many parishes.
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But when the music is so loud and overbearing that I cannot even kneel in the pew and pray after receiving the Lord in the Holy Eucharist, then the music is not helping the faithful it is taking away from the reverence that we should be showing to God (which this is quite often the case at NO Masses around be).

Also when there is a parade of lay people marching up to the altar, all rubbing their hand sanitizer on, whispering to each other, and then accepting the Lord in in their hands before they go to “pass out” the Body of Christ (which is also quite often the case) it is taking away from the reverence that we should be showing to God.

I was merely stating that when you go to the EF you know what you’re going to get, you will receive the Eucharist from a priest, and you will actually be able to intimately spend time with our Lord, quietly speaking to Him in the silence of your heart without being interrupted by a tambourine.

I do not totally disagree with the NO Mass (as some traditional Catholics do), I was born into the NO, and never knew anything but the NO up until about 1 year ago. But I have to call a spade a spade; and from what I have seen usually the EF is much more reverent than the OF. I have never been to an NO Mass that is as reverent as a TLM, but I believe that they exist. I don’t think that there is anything wrong with the NO if it is said properly, but I just have never seen an NO Mass that is as reverent and respectful as a TLM. I wish I had one, I mean I like being able to understand the Mass.

However I agree with you 100% about obedience, I don’t like these practices but I deal with them. Obedience is what has kept me out of the SSPX chapels thus far, however I do pray for a restoration of the Mass, I think that the new translation was the first step towards a journey that we as Catholics need to undertake, I hope that the trend continues, God bless Pope Benedict XVI!
 
Another good example. I have a priest at my parish that I consider to be a very good and holy priest. He says the NO Mass very reverently but he can’t control everything that goes on during the Mass. At the end of Mass the choir starts playing an up-beat modern sounding song, and everyone starts clapping their hands, and people are dancing. If I want to clap my hands dance, then I’ll either go to a southern Baptist service, or I’ll go to a rock concert, but I don’t expect that during Mass. If you go to an EF Mass, you won’t get that, period, that’s why I would suggest a TLM to anyone that wants a reverent Mass, that’s why I think the TLM is more pleasing to God, that’s why I would only go to EF of Mass if I could, and that’s why the SSPX is such a temptation for me.
 
Another good example. I have a priest at my parish that I consider to be a very good and holy priest. He says the NO Mass very reverently but he can’t control everything that goes on during the Mass. At the end of Mass the choir starts playing an up-beat modern sounding song, and everyone starts clapping their hands, and people are dancing. If I want to clap my hands dance, then I’ll either go to a southern Baptist service, or I’ll go to a rock concert, but I don’t expect that during Mass. If you go to an EF Mass, you won’t get that, period, that’s why I would suggest a TLM to anyone that wants a reverent Mass, that’s why I think the TLM is more pleasing to God, that’s why I would only go to EF of Mass if I could, and that’s why the SSPX is such a temptation for me.
Slow down here. First, you’re saying that this takes place at the end. I’m assuming that it’s after the dismissal, in which case, the mass is over.

Second, you’re saying that you think the TLM is more pleasing to God". We must never presume to know the mind of God. What is pleasing to God is our virtue and our faith. How we express that is going to differ from one person to another.

Third, we must always be willing to accept that there are going to be elements that are not going to be pleasing to us, either in the EF or the OF. I’ll give you an example. I love the OF, but I can’t stand when the bishop puts on the gloves and dalmatic under the chasuble. I lean toward simplicity. When Franciscans celebrate the EF, the vestments are beautiful, but simple. Franciscan bishops don’t wear the gloves or the double layer of vestments, because Francis did not allow it. I’m used to this simplicity. However, it’s not something that disturbs me either.

I don’t like the Gregorian chant. I like my Franciscan plainchant when we do the EF. I don’t like the silence. I like my Franciscan dialogue version of the EF. Again, I do as I said before about the EMHC in the OF. I remember my novice master, “Obey, even when you disagree, unless you are commaded to sin.” The other quote that I recall was from the constitutions. “Let the brothers remember that they are nothing. They are only instruments. Let them not give any value to their personal preferences, opinions, tastes or desires, but let them put themselves in the hands of the superior, the local bishop and the pope as did our Holy Father Francis, with trust and humility.”

So I sit there and say to myself, “Shut up. You’re nothing. No one asked for your opinion.” After a while, it’s almost automatic. I catch myself thinking about how I don’t like this in the OF or that in the EF and I hear that little voice say, “You are nothing . . . simply comply.” There’re the other little voice that says, “OK.” 🤷

We have to acquire these internal disciplines, because we’re always going to find things that we don’t like. If the Church dropped the OF tomorrow, everyone of those people who celebrate the mass in a shabby manner (for which they should be smacked) will be celebrating the EF in the same shabby manner. The problem is not the form, but the person.

On the flip side, we must also avoid spiritual pride. I remember my novice master saying, “If you comply with the rule and you do what the Church tells you and you feel satisfaction, you have just blown it.” It’s all about internal silence and discipline.

A blessed Christmas!

Br.JR, OSF :christmastree1:
 
As an aside Br., when do bishops ever wear gloves and dalmatics in the OF? The only bishop I’ve ever seen wearing a dalmatic in the OF is the pope, and I’ve never seen gloves except in the EF.
 
Another good example. I have a priest at my parish that I consider to be a very good and holy priest. He says the NO Mass very reverently but he can’t control everything that goes on during the Mass. At the end of Mass the choir starts playing an up-beat modern sounding song, and everyone starts clapping their hands, and people are dancing. If I want to clap my hands dance, then I’ll either go to a southern Baptist service, or I’ll go to a rock concert, but I don’t expect that during Mass. If you go to an EF Mass, you won’t get that, period, that’s why I would suggest a TLM to anyone that wants a reverent Mass, that’s why I think the TLM is more pleasing to God, that’s why I would only go to EF of Mass if I could, and that’s why the SSPX is such a temptation for me.
Let’s face it, liturgical abuse will always beset the “default” form of mass more so than any other form. The “default” form is the default and most common form of the mass, and that’s where the “liturgical innovators” will obviously be found, whereas a “non-default” form by its very nature requires its participants to be actively drawn to it because of how it deeply inspires them, and therefore these same people who love the mass are not likely to vandalise it with their own liturgical innovations. That is a reason why we see EF masses to have far less abuse than OF masses, even both are equally liable to abuse. A liturgical innovator wouldn’t be actively seeking out an EF mass to abuse. They would just implement their innovations in whatever mass they happen to celebrate. If the Tridentine mass was the OF and the Pauline mass the EF, the Tridentine mass would be the one bearing the brunt of liturgical abuse, because most people would be attending the Tridentine mass by default, and every liturgical innovator would be toying with the mass that they attend. :eek:

We need to wake up to this realisation if we are to truly combat liturgical abuse. Beautiful as it is, attending the TLM is not a magical panacea. Switching forms will not make the problem go away. It will be short-sighted and selfish of us to just stick our heads in the sand. They will still celebrate their mass complete with all the liturgical abuses regardless. As has been repeated many times, there were liturgical abuses before VII, and there will forever be so, as long as humans are celebrating mass.

For myself, I always make it a point to attend OF masses so that I can witness liturgical abuses for myself and highlight them for correction. It is a painful job, especially when I run into egos the size of a pachyderm, but it’s a necessary task. It may keep me away from the TLM which I love, but it is the least we can do for the sake of our parishes and our fellow Catholics. If we truly are a blessed minority of the church who understand and love proper liturgy, then we must use it to the benefit of our fellow Catholics to ensure that their worship is reverential and not misguided. 🙂
 
For myself, I always make it a point to attend OF masses so that I can witness liturgical abuses for myself and highlight them for correction. It is a painful job, especially when I run into egos the size of a pachyderm, but it’s a necessary task. It may keep me away from the TLM which I love, but it is the least we can do for the sake of our parishes and our fellow Catholics. If we truly are a blessed minority of the church who understand and love proper liturgy, then we must use it to the benefit of our fellow Catholics to ensure that their worship is reverential and not misguided. 🙂
As much as I admire your convictions, I cannot see where policing the OF at the expense of not attending a more desired EF serves best your spiritual aspirations.
 
As much as I admire your convictions, I cannot see where policing the OF at the expense of not attending a more desired EF serves best your spiritual aspirations.
I attend the EF mass when I can. But my local parishes only offer mass in OF. 😃

In any case, I still pray with all the same intensity, regardless of the form. 🙂
 
It is of my personal belief that we should be actively praying for the healing between the Vatican and traditional societies. Regardless of where you stand, I doubt the Lord supports this kind of division. Yes, I think the Tridentine Mass should never have been suppressed in the first place. However, the new mass is just as a ‘valid’, even if your personal preference is the EF.
I hope the Holy Father can reconcile with the SSPX.
 
As much as I admire your convictions, I cannot see where policing the OF at the expense of not attending a more desired EF serves best your spiritual aspirations.
I’m afraid I have misphrased my statement. I still attend the EF mass when it is celebrated, but my nearest parishes only offer mass in OF, which I attend on other days. The alternative would be to move to an EF parish, but I would miss my good relations with my parish priest.

In any case, I still pray with all the same intensity, regardless of the form. 🙂
 
Let’s face it, liturgical abuse will always beset the “default” form of mass more so than any other form. The “default” form is the default and most common form of the mass, and that’s where the “liturgical innovators” will obviously be found
If you are referring to the priests as the liturgical innovators, they only fall into that category because of a faulty modern formation which encourages novelty and innovation in the offering of the Mass. Innovating the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is not found in a traditional priestly formation.

If the abusers are the laity, that is entirely the fault of the pastor who relegates control of liturgical ministries (like music or Eucharistic) to the laity without oversight and regulation. But if the celebrant has been formed to innovate, he is likely to be more tolerant of whatever the ministries come up with.
 
If you are referring to the priests as the liturgical innovators, they only fall into that category because of a faulty modern formation which encourages novelty and innovation in the offering of the Mass. Innovating the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is not found in a traditional priestly formation.

If the abusers are the laity, that is entirely the fault of the pastor who relegates control of liturgical ministries (like music or Eucharistic) to the laity without oversight and regulation. But if the celebrant has been formed to innovate, he is likely to be more tolerant of whatever the ministries come up with.
Thankfully, curricula are quickly tightening up! The Pontifical College Josephinum in Ohio, for example, now requires at least three years’ Latin studies and one of Greek. They also require a course for their seminarians to learn the Extraordinary Form.

😃
 
As an aside Br., when do bishops ever wear gloves and dalmatics in the OF? The only bishop I’ve ever seen wearing a dalmatic in the OF is the pope, and I’ve never seen gloves except in the EF.
I was referring to the EF. The Holy Father does not wear a dalmatic under the chasuble in the OF. The only time that he wears the chasuble is on Holy Thursday, because he performs the Diakonia.
If you are referring to the priests as the liturgical innovators, they only fall into that category because of a faulty modern formation which encourages novelty and innovation in the offering of the Mass. Innovating the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is not found in a traditional priestly formation.

If the abusers are the laity, that is entirely the fault of the pastor who relegates control of liturgical ministries (like music or Eucharistic) to the laity without oversight and regulation. But if the celebrant has been formed to innovate, he is likely to be more tolerant of whatever the ministries come up with.
Are you assuming this or are you a student at the seminary or a faculty member at one of them?

I’ve been a faculty member at seminaries for many years and have never taught anyone to tinker with the mass.

I also had 4-years of Latin and 2-years of Greek in the 1970s. The language requirements usually depend on your major. The degree is an M.Div. The major is not the same for everyone. It’s just like any other college.

Merry Christmas!

Br. JR, OSF :christmastree1:
 
I was referring to the EF. The Holy Father does not wear a dalmatic under the chasuble in the OF. The only time that he wears the chasuble is on Holy Thursday, because he performs the Diakonia.
The current Pope wears a dalmatic every time he celebrates mass! I promise! Pay attention and you will see it. It’s especially easy to see when he wears a Roman chasuble.
 
The current Pope wears a dalmatic every time he celebrates mass! I promise! Pay attention and you will see it. It’s especially easy to see when he wears a Roman chasuble.
Actually he does not regularly wear the dalmatic. Though he did wear it for Midnight Mass on the 24th. People commented on it for the very reason that he normally wears it only on Holy Thursday, not that it’s important. At the end of the day, we go back to internal silence and discipline. What the pope, bishop, priest or deacon wears has nothing to do with me in the congregation. My role is completely different from his. My focus must be on my role, not his.

As an aside, we have a very beautiful Midnight Mass using the Roman-Franciscan Missal for the OF, in Latin, with about 1200 people. People were very excited. They had not had the entire mass in Latin, except for the readings.

They had never seen the entire community together at mass. We normally do not allow lay people to attend our mass. We were asked to do it at a parish that shares a priest with another parish.

The people were fascinated, because they had never seen some of our customs. This church has a very spacious sanctuary, which allows all of the friars to be on the sanctuary at the same time. We have only one ordained friar and 13 more friars. We only ordain as many as we need for our community. The custom is that the friars are on both sides of the altar, if possible or right in front of it. We explained to the laity that the ordained friar leads in offering the sacrifice as a ministry to his brothers. In order to maintain the horizontal and vertical elements of the liturgy, the priest is not alone, but is with his brothers and by extension the laity is drawn into the fraternity through the fraternal spirit that they share with the friars.

Of course, the creche is a major element in a Franciscan celebration of Christmas, as it was St. Francis who introduced it into the Midnight Mass. This drew many questions too, because the superior processes in front of the celebrant. He carries the infant Jesus and places him in the manger and then he goes to the amboe and proclaims the birth of the Lord. But our superior is not a priest. We explained that this act of honor belongs to him as the canonical successor of St. Francis and as the father of the community, because it was Francis who carried the child into the manger that night at Greccio and it was Francis, not the priest, who proclaimed the nativity of the Lord.

The carols were sung in Latin, English, Spanish and French. The choir did a very beautiful job leading the music.

To pull this mass off, it took three weeks of preparation. It’s not something that you can throw together in 15 minutes. Everything has to be rehearsed over and over again. You have to prepare the lectors, servers and choir in advance so they know what’s going on and what you want to do. Every step is choreographed so that the movements in the sanctuary are fluid rather than awkward and chaotic.

It just goes to show that you can have a very beautiful and solemn mass in either form (EF or OF), if you know what you’re doing and you stick to the traditions of your order (if you’re religious) or the Roman Rite (if you’re secular).

Merry Christmas,

Br. JR, OSF :christmastree1:
 
If you are referring to the priests as the liturgical innovators, they only fall into that category because of a faulty modern formation which encourages novelty and innovation in the offering of the Mass. Innovating the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is not found in a traditional priestly formation.
Oh, is that so? Here’s an example of a typical sort of query presented by a priest to the American Ecclesiastical Review in 1906:
Qu. In some churches here a custom prevails which appears to have some sanction in the rubrics or rites of the Mass itself; yet I find the practice nowhere stated in liturgical books as desirable or legitimate. It is this: At the missa cantata on Sundays the celebrant, having said “Orate Fratres,” turns to those present in the church and asks them to join him in prayer for those members of the congregation that have died during the previous week. Then, kneeling on the altar step, he recites a Pater and Ave aloud. Is this custom permissible? If not, please state why it should be discontinued.

Resp. The custom is an unnecessary interruption of the Holy Sacrifice, and as such is contrary to the observance of the prescribed ceremonial of the Mass, which forms a continuous liturgical function. The assumption that the celebrant, by praying here for the dead, is only carrying out the injunction implied in the words " Orate Fratres" rests upon a misapprehension. These words have quite a different significance and purpose. They are an introduction to the Secreta by which the priest as mediator between God and the faithful makes his solemn and silent oblation, during which the congregation is to pray for him, in order that the sacrifice may be acceptable in the sight of the Most High. The priest does not, therefore, in this instance, pray with the people, nor the people with him. . . . (Link)
Sure, randomly stopping in the middle of Mass to address the congregation in English and throw in a few extra “popular” prayers. Must have been his faulty modern formation!
 
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