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The Great Miracle of Our Lady Del Pilar
In 1637, a youngster employed on a farm, Juan Miguel Pellicer (1617-1647), born in Calanda, Spain in a family of seven children, fell from a cart. A wheel broke his right leg, crushing “the tibia right down the middle” (Article 7 of Proceedings, quoted by Deroo, 1977, 24). He was admitted to a hospital in Valencia on August 3, 1637, and then transferred to the royal hospital in Zaragoza in early October. Reduced to begging, he tried different remedies in vain. At the end of October, his leg was amputated “four fingers above the knee.” He left the hospital in the spring of 1638 and returned to live in Calanda, among his own.

The night of March 29, 1640, he slept in a room with his parents. In the morning, his father discovered two feet under the covers: the amputated leg had returned! A canonical trial began on June 5, 1640. On April 22, 1641, the municipality of Calanda chose Our Lady of the Pilar as its patron saint. On April 27, Bishop Apaolaza, Archbishop of Zaragoza, declared: “We say, vote and declare that Juan Miguel Pellicer (…) has miraculously recovered his right leg which previously had been amputated. This restitution is not the work of nature, but was carried out in a miraculous and admirable way and should be recognized as a miracle.” (AASS, July, vol VI, 120 and Copia literal auténtica y del Proceso y sentencia de calificacio’n, Zaragoza, 1940, 28.)

A medal to commemorate the miracle was struck in 1671. Some associate this miracle to an apparition of the Blessed Virgin. In actual fact, no evidence can lead us to believe this. Juan Miguel had merely prayed to Our Lady of the Pilar before going to bed and then he “had a dream in which he saw the Blessed Virgin rubbing his sore stump with oil from the lamps in the chapel of Saragossa.”

Taken from Father Laurentin’s Dictionnaire des Apparitions, Fayard 2007

I will not br responding to this post. I just wanted to get this story out. Peace!
 
The Great Miracle of Our Lady Del Pilar
In 1637, a youngster employed on a farm, Juan Miguel Pellicer (1617-1647), born in Calanda, Spain in a family of seven children, fell from a cart. A wheel broke his right leg, crushing “the tibia right down the middle” (Article 7 of Proceedings, quoted by Deroo, 1977, 24). He was admitted to a hospital in Valencia on August 3, 1637, and then transferred to the royal hospital in Zaragoza in early October. Reduced to begging, he tried different remedies in vain. At the end of October, his leg was amputated “four fingers above the knee.” He left the hospital in the spring of 1638 and returned to live in Calanda, among his own.

The night of March 29, 1640, he slept in a room with his parents. In the morning, his father discovered two feet under the covers: the amputated leg had returned! A canonical trial began on June 5, 1640. On April 22, 1641, the municipality of Calanda chose Our Lady of the Pilar as its patron saint. On April 27, Bishop Apaolaza, Archbishop of Zaragoza, declared: “We say, vote and declare that Juan Miguel Pellicer (…) has miraculously recovered his right leg which previously had been amputated. This restitution is not the work of nature, but was carried out in a miraculous and admirable way and should be recognized as a miracle.” (AASS, July, vol VI, 120 and Copia literal auténtica y del Proceso y sentencia de calificacio’n, Zaragoza, 1940, 28.)

A medal to commemorate the miracle was struck in 1671. Some associate this miracle to an apparition of the Blessed Virgin. In actual fact, no evidence can lead us to believe this. Juan Miguel had merely prayed to Our Lady of the Pilar before going to bed and then he “had a dream in which he saw the Blessed Virgin rubbing his sore stump with oil from the lamps in the chapel of Saragossa.”

Taken from Father Laurentin’s Dictionnaire des Apparitions, Fayard 2007

I will not br responding to this post. I just wanted to get this story out. Peace!
Thank you, very inspiring.

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So, accepting for the moment that this actually happened, why does the Blessed Virgin not do it more often? Why leave all the other amputees unhealed?
 
The Great Miracle of Our Lady Del Pilar
In 1637, a youngster employed on a farm, Juan Miguel Pellicer (1617-1647), born in Calanda, Spain in a family of seven children, fell from a cart. A wheel broke his right leg, crushing “the tibia right down the middle” (Article 7 of Proceedings, quoted by Deroo, 1977, 24). He was admitted to a hospital in Valencia on August 3, 1637, and then transferred to the royal hospital in Zaragoza in early October. Reduced to begging, he tried different remedies in vain. At the end of October, his leg was amputated “four fingers above the knee.” He left the hospital in the spring of 1638 and returned to live in Calanda, among his own.

The night of March 29, 1640, he slept in a room with his parents. In the morning, his father discovered two feet under the covers: the amputated leg had returned! A canonical trial began on June 5, 1640. On April 22, 1641, the municipality of Calanda chose Our Lady of the Pilar as its patron saint. On April 27, Bishop Apaolaza, Archbishop of Zaragoza, declared: “We say, vote and declare that Juan Miguel Pellicer (…) has miraculously recovered his right leg which previously had been amputated. This restitution is not the work of nature, but was carried out in a miraculous and admirable way and should be recognized as a miracle.” (AASS, July, vol VI, 120 and Copia literal auténtica y del Proceso y sentencia de calificacio’n, Zaragoza, 1940, 28.)

A medal to commemorate the miracle was struck in 1671. Some associate this miracle to an apparition of the Blessed Virgin. In actual fact, no evidence can lead us to believe this. Juan Miguel had merely prayed to Our Lady of the Pilar before going to bed and then he “had a dream in which he saw the Blessed Virgin rubbing his sore stump with oil from the lamps in the chapel of Saragossa.”

Taken from Father Laurentin’s Dictionnaire des Apparitions, Fayard 2007

I will not be responding to this post. I just wanted to get this story out. Peace!
May Our Lord reward you for sharing this beautiful story.

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Our Lady of the Pillar, Pray for us. Amen.
 
So, accepting for the moment that this actually happened, why does the Blessed Virgin not do it more often? Why leave all the other amputees unhealed?
I’ve wondered the same thing myself but chalk it up to the notion that God wants us to accept Him on faith and not because He runs things like a snake oil salesman. Granted, there are plenty of those to be found in the various flavors of Christianity, but I believe having faith is the important thing. At the same time, I believe that God gives you plenty of signs in your own life as long as you’re open to seeing & hearing them. My wife had a rare, aggressive and typically fatal form of cancer as a young girl and wasn’t responding to the chemo, radiation or multiple bone marrow transplants. Her doctors gave up, her parents prayed and within a month she was cancer free (several of her doctors actually used the M-word). Unfortunately, her treatment had rendered her barren so they had to face the fact that they would never have grandchildren. We had our sixth baby a few months back (although we did lose one to miscarriage). Still, early on in our most recent pregnancy we had our hopes dashed when they told us it wasn’t a viable pregnancy. I spent a lot of time praying, going to Adoration, praying the Rosary nightly and saying countless prayers to St. Gerard asking him to pray for what we believed was our second lost baby. She’s healthy as can be today. Some can see God’s hand in all this. Others would say there’s a perfectly logical explanation for why she’s run into so many incontrovertible, medical dead ends yet somehow ran right through each of them. They can’t come up with any plausible explanations, but they have blind faith in the fact that they exist.
 
So, accepting for the moment that this actually happened, why does the Blessed Virgin not do it more often? Why leave all the other amputees unhealed?
Your question betrays your actual lack of acceptance of your own supposition. Can you truly accept that it actually happened? Forget for a second the thousands of other amputees who are also desiring of a miracle – if the “impossible” happened to just one person, would this not prompt a total re-examination of one’s atheistic/agnostic worldview? Rather than immediately leapfrog to the next question?

We humans are created with certain tools; among them the ability to observe, think and reason. It is our will, not our intellect, that decides which direction we choose to take these tools – toward God or away from him. Even with the occasional unexplained miracle thrown into human history (and there are plenty) to give us food for thought, for the great majority of us it simply comes down to our will – are we really our own masters, or not?

It’s not about the limbs, or the physical healing. I would rather be an amputee graced by faith than physically intact and lacking it. And miracles do not guarantee a call to belief – recall that Jesus healed ten lepers, but only one had the sense to know, to truly understand, what really had taken place (Lk 17).
 
With all due respect to the OP, and I’m a Catholic I might add who definitely believes in a spiritual reality, since I’ve experienced a number of things myself, two examples of amputated parts miraculously being restored in 2000 years isn’t much evidence.

I am quite prepared to accept the evidence of miraculous healing in other ways, eg. cancer, but it’s annoying that they’re always what might be called hidden diseases.

Something a bit more modern, and with solid irrefutable evidence wouldn’t go astray. As far as I know there isn’t anything, yet a single obvious, credible miraculous instantaneous restoration of a major amputation would go a long way towards rebuffing atheism.
 
Wasn’t there a story of an early pope who had his tongue cut out and later wound up speaking and condemning those who attacked him ?

I found Leo III but am unclear if that is the one I was thinking of or not.
 
With all due respect to the OP, and I’m a Catholic I might add who definitely believes in a spiritual reality, since I’ve experienced a number of things myself, two examples of amputated parts miraculously being restored in 2000 years isn’t much evidence.

I am quite prepared to accept the evidence of miraculous healing in other ways, eg. cancer, but it’s annoying that they’re always what might be called hidden diseases.

Something a bit more modern, and with solid irrefutable evidence wouldn’t go astray. As far as I know there isn’t anything, yet a single obvious, credible miraculous instantaneous restoration of a major amputation would go a long way towards rebuffing atheism.
Somethig tells me that what youre requesting may not even be enough for you.

People witnessed FIRST HAND Jesus resurrecting the dead, healing an amputated ear, walking on water, turning water into wine, healing lepers and blind people, resurrecting from the dead, etc etc etc and still those same people who saw it with their own eyes, doubted.
 
Somethig tells me that what youre requesting may not even be enough for you.

People witnessed FIRST HAND Jesus resurrecting the dead, healing an amputated ear, walking on water, turning water into wine, healing lepers and blind people, resurrecting from the dead, etc etc etc and still those same people who saw it with their own eyes, doubted.
I think you misunderstood the context of my quote.

I don’t need the miracle of an amputee instantaneoulsy regrowing a limb, as I’ve had plenty of other spiritual experiences of my own, and have no trouble whatsoever believing God could do it if He wanted to.

I was talking about the issue as a witness to modern hard line atheists eg. the late Christopher Hawkins (who no doubt now has a quite different mindset, with I suspect, in Screwtape put it, “the peculiar clarity that Hell affords”), Richard Dawkins, James Randi et al, who don’t have faith to begin with. They’re the ones who need a witnessed, fully verified miracle like this - not me.
 
So, accepting for the moment that this actually happened, why does the Blessed Virgin not do it more often? Why leave all the other amputees unhealed?
Dear Friend,

I understand why you’re asking why there isn’t more healing of limbs. But God has a purpose for what He does and yes, we implore our Holy Mother who is our powerful intercessor (advocate) to help us. Yet, it’s still up to God to decide what is best. I totally believe and agree it’s also faith in which we’re cured. And curing Cancer is a biggie in my eyes even if it’s inside the body and not outward- saying this softly. 🙂 My Aunt and best friend were both eaten up with Cancer. My Friend had 5% chance of living and my Aunt could not be cured. As a matter of fact, my Aunt told me goodbye and thanked me for being there for her. I died inside. She’s like my Mom. Well, praying and telling God…Your will be done; now both are Cancer free. I’m elated and to me a Miracle is what it is, inside or out. 🙂

Love ya’ll lots
Sheila is my real name and loving everyone is what I’m going to do.❤️
 
I think you misunderstood the context of my quote.

I don’t need the miracle of an amputee instantaneoulsy regrowing a limb, as I’ve had plenty of other spiritual experiences of my own, and have no trouble whatsoever believing God could do it if He wanted to.

I was talking about the issue as a witness to modern hard line atheists eg. the late Christopher Hawkins (who no doubt now has a quite different mindset, with I suspect, in Screwtape put it, “the peculiar clarity that Hell affords”), Richard Dawkins, James Randi et al, who don’t have faith to begin with. They’re the ones who need a witnessed, fully verified miracle like this - not me.
My mistake then, but then the point still stands for them. It probably would still not be enough for most of them.

The thing is, if God were to provide that for them, they wouldnt need faith. And as we know, faith is such a huge part of making God happy and necessary for our salvation.
 
Adding to earlier stuff on this thread. Don’t forget St. Winifred. Her legend says she was behead by Caradog, and her head was reattached by Beuno .
 
God douse not want everyone to have arms and legs. He can make them better he just douse not want to.
 
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