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Prodigal_40s
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Terminology is incorrect. A “refugee” would have sought refuge in a safe country. “Majid” is an economic migrant because he “hopes to make it to Britain” to live off benefits and get himself a house.
He is NOT a refugee. HTH
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Peter_Plato
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With this gross injustice being done to 60 million people worldwide, mostly by tens of thousands of inhuman barbarians, why wouldn’t justice demand that stopping those barbarians be the prime focus for rectifying the injustice being done to those 60 million?
This “mass migration” to fix the situation would just seem to be turning a blind eye to the real wrong being committed by paying off the victims at heavy cost to hundreds of millions of innocent human being throughout the globe who were not responsible for the situation in the first place. Shouldn’t those perpetrating the injustice be the immediate and prime target for fixing the injustice?
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TheAtheist
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The answer is quite simple - No one has the will to do it anymore.
I’m actually quite serious about this.
America is probably one of the few countries that is capable of waging a war in a theater far from its actual borders… and people on the Left and the Right of this nation’s political spectrum are starting to become rather isolationist.
The European powers are already dealing with deficit issues - years of living under the American defense umbrella has spared many of those nations from actually having to develop a defense budget.
I suppose there is Russia, but notice that even here, aside from President Putin’s rather tough talk, all he does is bomb… he will not put “boots on the ground” so to speak.
In fact that seems to be the only tool left to the West + Russia => Bombs and Drones Strikes. Because no one wants to see body bags anymore.
Part of me wonders if this is the “final form” of the “Point and Click” generation. When the Millenials protest, they hit the “Like” button. When they go to war, they push another.
But the actual hard work that would be necessary to remove the problem?..
There’s no will left to do it.
As to the other parts of the world - the Chinese keep to themselves and while more than willing to crack down on the Muslim population within their borders, won’t lift a hair for anything beyond it.
And India? Well… we have a next door neighbor who can’t control their own mullahs…and also happen to have nuclear weapons…
That pretty much summarizes all the major powers in the world - no one is really in a position to do anything about Islamic Terrorism.
We’re just going to have to live with it until the idea loses currency in the same way the world had to deal with Communism for decades on end.
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Peter_Plato
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Well, I was with you when you insisted it was a matter of no one having “the will” to do anything – the political “will.” that is.
And then you go and claim “no one is really in a position to do anything” as if it isn’t merely a matter of will but of power. Sorry, you know as well as I that if the will were there, “Islamic terrorism” would be ended very quickly. It is just that everyone is tolerating it – including those who “mouth” the words of being against it – precisely because they hope in some way to gain politically or in some other respect from it.
Assuming the idea will simply “lose currency.” Waiting for terrorism to “lose currency” might be at the cost of hundreds of millions of lives, just as it did when we waited for Communism to “lose currency.”
Let’s face it, we have two camps that make up the vast majority of humanity: the power mongers and the morally apathetic or corrupt because we are morally apathetic. The very small faction of the truly just in the middle are always going to get hammered precisely because the apathetic won’t do anything until it threatens their apathy and the power mongers will always be wolfish and pick away at the weak and vulnerable who will be sacrificed by moral apathy to the wolves.
This is why the beatitude is “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness” because God is fully aware of who is not properly being served justice in this world.
Christian Syrians are the ones who will not receive justice – not from ISIS, not from the UN agencies and not from western governments who have abandoned them. They are Christ to the world – the world will either crucify them, turn them over to be crucified or turn a blind eye to the whole sordid mess on the pretext that our charity will smooth things over and make everything right for someone because… well… we are being “charitable.”
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KathleenGee
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Peter Plato, there is a petition starting in the USA to stop the genocide against Christians and other minorities.
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Peter_Plato
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Not sure that petitions will do anything really, except make us feel good about what we think we are doing.
As per the video I linked to in my last post.
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TheAtheist
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Ah - that’s because i only speak in terms of actualities. A billionaire could technically give away all his money to the poor - but he won’t.
In other words, while you might complain about possibilities, i don’t really see much of a reason to.
I learnt a new phrase recently, “we play the hand that we’re dealt” - apparently its a reference to gambling but i think i get the drift of it.
We have the situation as it stands - you can complain about elements of it - but it won’t change the situation for what it is.
Actually it wouldn’t have. Maybe “Islamic Terrorism” was something new to you folks living in the West. Other parts of the world, including my own, have been dealing with it for years before 9/11.
I think after living through the 90s and thinking the world is all buzzwords about Internet technology, Globalization, et al - some of you got a rather rude wake up call to how the rest of the world had been living…and the general response after the escapades in Afghanistan and Iraq has been one simple thing - No more war.
It might be the reason why whenver i speak with the Millenials or their immediate forebearers (Do you still came them Generation Xers?) there seems to be such a powerful longing for that decade…
Its nice to live in a bubble no?
Got a better idea? An actionable idea? An idea that will have the full buy-in of the political elites that rule our world?
If not then…well… that’s all we got. As i said before - i’m not here to speak of should have/could have/would have.
Just the situation as it stands.
Not quite sure its moral apathy - i like to characterize it that i’m stuck living with a population who likes their comforts. As long as those power mongers as you call them, keep conditions in such a manner that the people enjoy their comforts, the system runs.
Its the same principle behind the idea of “Africa Fatigue” as some sociologists call it.
You know, the “Oh there’s a starving child in Africa on TV…”…
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Who does in this world?
Look at the death tolls associated with say narco-trafficking in Mexico. Or the sporadic wars affecting Somalia, Angola, and the Democratic Republic of Congo.
Your asking for the world to be something that its not.
In many ways, you actually remind me of the “New Atheists” i tend to bump into in offline or online.
Everyone can express an emotion - no one i’ve ever encountered actually has a plan…
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