A Taylor Marshall question

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Emeraldlady said:
Can you direct me to the claim that “we are born knowing God”?
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In all charity, yes it is true that you did not say we are born knowing God, in Dr. Marshall’s video part of what he talks about is whether we are born knowing God or not while discussing de Luboc and Nouvelle theolgie. He certainly says we come to know God as your post indicates.also.
Emeraldlady said:
encourage deeper faith in the Church Magisterium which we absolutely believe is protected by the Holy Spirit.
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Yes, the Church is protected by the Holy Spirit but it is also under constant attack as it always has.
Emeraldlady said:
If not the Magisterium, who do we follow?
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The Magisterium is not independent of Tradition and the Word of God. I heard Steve Ray explain Catholic authority is like a three legged stool; Pope, Tradition and Word of God. If you lean on one alone or one or two of the legs are not there, the stool falls over. It is important that the Pope and the bishops teach as the Word of God says and what has been handed down to us from the apostles. They can not stray from that nor can they change the Word of God or Sacred Tradition, which is why it is very important to also study Scripture and Tradition.
 
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Crusader13 said:
I don’t think anyone is doubting the Catechism
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Truly? I genuinely hope so!! I use the CC as the backbone of all the catechesis materials I develop. Yes I have been freaking out a bit. I though Marshall felt the CCC, Gaudium et Spes, and other documents were full of Novouelle Theology contaminants. If not I will be a much happier person!!
 
Me too. I use swipe and if I don’t reread what I wrote before i post I spend the next five minutes muttering how I hate my phone while I try to correct. 🤣
 
He can talk all he wants but he isn t the Magisterium
 
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You can’t imagine the times I edit and edit trying to make my posts sound English. If a cent were given for each edit, I’d have a Ferrari by now! 😂
 
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Jen7 said:
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Crusader13:
I don’t think anyone is doubting the Catechism
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Truly? I genuinely hope so!! I use the CC as the backbone of all the catechesis materials I develop. Yes I have been freaking out a bit. I though Marshall felt the CCC, Gaudium et Spes, and other documents were full of Novouelle Theology contaminants. If not I will be a much happier person!!
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I don’t think he doubts the Catechism as it is a collection of beliefs of the Church. He prefers the older Roman Catechism in fact he did a video on this very issue and why prefers the older one over the new.

 
I mean exactly what I am saying.
Full stop for a Catholic.
What makes you go on and on with this issue, Crusader13?
 
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Jen7 said:
But what about in statements like this: God infinitely perfect in himself in a plan of sheer goodness freely created man to make him share in his own blessed life … therefore at every time and in every place God draws close to man
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The statement in the catechism is true but it is not all the catechism states. Man is also born with free will:
CCC 1704 By free will, he is capable of directing himself toward his true good. He finds his perfection “in seeking and loving what is true and good.”

CCC 29 But this “intimate and vital bond of man to God can be forgotten, overlooked, or even explicitly rejected by man.

God is a loving God who is always calling us to Him and drawing us to Him but He doesn’t force Himself on us, which is why He gave us free will. It is we who are to choose life or death.
 
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I’m not trying to say that Catholics have to listen to Dr. Marshall. I think his points and understanding of the Church and her teachings truly reflect what was authoritatively taught for generations.

Some have different views on how these truths should be conveyed and some may argue if these truths are even relevant anymore.

What I see coming from some of the laity and the clergy is that Jesus Christ and the Church is simply one way to get to heaven and certainly not the only way.

We want to focus on the mercy, love and compassion of the gospel but we often neglect the harder truths in favor of a more universally accepted message.
 
Jen7 said:
But what about in statements like this: God infinitely perfect in himself in a plan of sheer goodness freely created man to make him share in his own blessed life … therefore at every time and in every place God draws close to man … etc (CCC paragraph 1)
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God draws close to man, but doesn’t compel man to draw close to God.

Its kind of like how a parent will always seek out their child, whether they’re at home or lost. Even if the child goes lost, the parent still seeks them out. But that doesn’t mean the child is always seeking the parent. Unless they realize its scarier to be lost than it is to be home. .
 
My question was simple.
The Church is teaching authoritatively today.
It hasn t stopped at a certain Pope or point.
Do you agree with this? Your profile says Catholic.
 
Aquinas11 said:
God draws close to man , but doesn’t compel man to draw close to God .

Its kind of like how a parent will always seek out their child, whether they’re at home or lost. Even if the child goes lost, the parent still seeks them out. But that doesn’t mean the child is always seeking the parent. Unless they realize its scarier to be lost than it is to be home. .
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And the nouvelle theology says man is always reaching for God? I think I’m starting to see the difference…
 
graciew said:
My question was simple.
The Church is teaching authoritatively today.
It hasn t stopped at a certain Pope or point.
Do you agree with this? Your profile says Catholic
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I don’t think anyone is indicating against church authority… just seeking to know and understand what is being said.
 
Jen7 said:
And the nouvelle theology says man is always reaching for God? I think I’m starting to see the difference…
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Yes they believe man is always seeking God, thus doesn’t need to just go the Catholic route. Hence Bishop Barron saying to Ben Shapiro in interview that Christ is “the privileged way”, in direct contradiction to John 14:6. When you can get to heaven by the Sacraments or by meditating on the beach , its no wonder that they believe 'there is a reasonable hope all men are saved", which directly contradicts Jesus (Matthew 7 - says “many” will pass through wide gate to destruction; Matthew 25 - says the saved/sheep will go to heaven and damned/goats will go to hell) and Our Lady (Fatima , showed souls falling into hell like snowflakes). To believe this you have to believe de Lubac, Barron, Von Balthesar are more authoritative than Jesus the Son of God, Our Lady Mother of God,
 
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graciew said:
My question was simple.

What makes you go on and on with this issue, Crusader13?
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Was that not your initial question? I thought I had answered it.
graciew said:
The Church is teaching authoritatively today.
It hasn t stopped at a certain Pope or point.
Do you agree with this? Your profile says Catholic.
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Of course I agree with this. I’ve never once argued against the authority of the Church.

My posts as they relate to this thread we’re about the interpretation and understanding of the Nouvelle Théologie.
 
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