A Theory on Ghosts

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Wintersdemise, just out of curiosity, what specific things is your wife noticing now?
She sat a couple of things down and left the room only to
Come back and find them on the floor; she swears they weren’t on the edge either. Also, her and I have smelled cologne smells just come and go. She also said she heard somebody whistling in the house while she was home alone. I’m working on getting the house blessed so hopefully that’ll do something to get rid of these instigators.
 
Then why do we pray to the Saints, and sometimes loved-ones who passed?
As a Catholic, you should already know that answer, but to make it short and sweet, we are asking for their intercession.

We are asking for their help in taking our prayers to God. We are not praying “to” them as if they are God.
 
hmm…

You all really pounced on Wintersdemise HARD. I never got to hear the recordings. If it’s actual proof of the supernatural, wouldn’t that be reason enough to show it for posterity? Enough disbelief in anything supernatural in the world as it is. Film recordings of the Holocaust, or filmed firing squad executions are kept…you don’t see that being tossed in the trash because what was done was evil.

I don’t see such commotion being made about fraudulent reality shows like Ghost Hunters, or those Benny Hinn faith healing shams.

Wintersdemise, just out of curiosity, what specific things is your wife noticing now?

EDIT: Sorry, if you felt the need to take it down, I’ll respect your decision.

I remember when I sought anything remotely supernatural on youtube years ago because of a diminishing faith, I was getting tired of being trolled by screamer videos. It just would’ve been refreshing to see something genuine for once. Whatever Church says, goes, I guess…

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I’m with minion. I didn’t notice the youtube link the first time through, so I haven’t heard them. I’m not afraid of them, though. I too am interested in hearing what your wife is noticing now.

First, I don’t necessarily agree with telling you to get rid of all the recordings, unless you are doing it after being told by your pastor or something like that. I’m not going into why right now. You don’t need to listen to them and IMO they have no power when in digital storage.

Sounds to me like the question is, what is going on now? Like what is your wife noticing? Do you feel like your thinking, senses (like vision, hearing, touch) or anything else about your day to day experiences? Basically has life changed, in addition to the weird things your wife is noticing – or because of them?

I’m particularly interested in your emotional state. Do you notice more “fruit of the spirit” love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control … easier or harder to produce? Or on the other side, more or less anxiety or anger? This is one way we can test the spirits that are with you now that I can think of (by looking at their fruit) and also the spirits we like will acknowledge Jesus if I remember correctly? (I’m not a theologian so this is all IMO)

Alan
 
She sat a couple of things down and left the room only to
Come back and find them on the floor; she swears they weren’t on the edge either. Also, her and I have smelled cologne smells just come and go. She also said she heard somebody whistling in the house while she was home alone. I’m working on getting the house blessed so hopefully that’ll do something to get rid of these instigators.
Items being moved or apparently tossed around are typical of an infestation. The cologne and whistling are also common.

They are not instigators. They’re demons from Hell. They are powerful and dangerous. A standard house blessing will probably not help. Once an infestation has started, a house blessing is the wrong ritual.
 
hmm…

I never got to hear the recordings. If it’s actual proof of the supernatural, wouldn’t that be reason enough to show it for posterity? Enough disbelief in anything supernatural in the world as it is. Film recordings of the Holocaust, or filmed firing squad executions are kept…you don’t see that being tossed in the trash because what was done was evil.
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If you believe in an after-life, then you don’t need the videos/audios. If you don’t believe, you will simply say they are fake or a fraud, they will not convince anyone who doesn’t already want to believe. Audio is easy fake/create.

So, this isn’t going to convince anyone but it may lead to others trying this kind of thing for themselves. To get first hand proof themselves. So they have controlled the conditions and can be certain what they have isnt’ faked. Why tempt others to go looking for trouble?

I actually know a person who does ghost hunting/paranormal investigation. He’s a skeptic and has never come across something where he couldn’t find a physical non-paranormal causation.

The historical records you refer to aren’t used to document paranormol. They are kept as warnings as to what can happen when governments become too powerful and trusted. When the populace is disarmed and helpless. They are to hopefully convince people that those kind of things can happen. Here and now. They weren’t rumors or myths. They can’t be minimized or denied because here’s the evidence. EVP recordings can never be validated as hard evidence, again too easy to fake audio.
 
I’m with minion. I didn’t notice the youtube link the first time through, so I haven’t heard them. I’m not afraid of them, though. I too am interested in hearing what your wife is noticing now.

First, I don’t necessarily agree with telling you to get rid of all the recordings, unless you are doing it after being told by your pastor or something like that. I’m not going into why right now. You don’t need to listen to them and IMO they have no power when in digital storage.

Sounds to me like the question is, what is going on now? Like what is your wife noticing? Do you feel like your thinking, senses (like vision, hearing, touch) or anything else about your day to day experiences? Basically has life changed, in addition to the weird things your wife is noticing – or because of them?

I’m particularly interested in your emotional state. Do you notice more “fruit of the spirit” love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control … easier or harder to produce? Or on the other side, more or less anxiety or anger? This is one way we can test the spirits that are with you now that I can think of (by looking at their fruit) and also the spirits we like will acknowledge Jesus if I remember correctly? (I’m not a theologian so this is all IMO)

Alan
It’s funny; I simply made this thread to share my findings and have a discussion about the afterlife since Catholicism takes faith AND reason into account (and these findings have confirmed our faith!). I stated right in my opening post that I realized this hobby was a mistake and that I have confessed it without any intentions of doing this again. Instead I was met with many mean spirited insults that I would expect from some fundamentalist prots! Never mind the fact that a group of Priests have studied evps in the past; oh I guess they lacked faith because they studied this phenomena .

I actually confessed this twice; the first time to my regular confessor and the second time at a parish I don’t regularly attend because some reason my parish cancelled confession that day. My regular confessor didn’t really comment on it but simply had me pray for souls in purgatory for my penance. The other priest told me to stop doing this weird stuff and follow the catechism; but neither said I had to get rid of all the recordings.

I have taken the recordings down from public view because like many said above it may provoke others to sin; and I don’t want to be responsible for the damnation of another’s soul.

That being said; my faith in Christ and His Church has grown since I heard with my own ears that not only the visible exists BUT the INvisible as well! I was never %100 confident in the fact that our souls live on when our bodies die but I am now. Believe it or not this whole experience has strengthened my faith to such an extent I can’t even begin to describe. I now pray the rosary daily and receive daily communion (when I can get myself to wake up so early for daily mass! 😉 I’ve noticed that I’m a lot more patient and caring with others; in short the fruits of the spirit has increased in my soul.

I’m not saying these spirits are good but they haven’t effected me in a negative way whatsoever.
 
I for one am glad this experience made you more fruitful. And interesting post. Personally, I wouldn’t do anything such as you did and think you brave for doing it. I hate the fact that there is evil in this world supernaturally and worldly. May you always have sunshiny days and blessings from our Almighty God who overrides every evil no matter what. And :hug1: to your wife who may have found things moved around disconcerting. 🙂

Love ya’ll lots,
Sheila is my real name and blessings from our almighty God to every person on earth.

Not saying you need this but wanting you to have joyful days in your house. I pray this prayer and I haven’t any kind of activity per se. It’s because I think we need Holy Michael’s protection on a daily basis because the world is what it is. 🙂

Holy Michael, the Archangel ,
defend us in battle .
Be thou our protection
against the wickedness and snares of the devil .
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray ;
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host ,
by the Divine Power of God, cast into hell ,
Satan and all other evil spirits,
who wander through the world ,
seeking the ruin of souls .
Amen .
 
I for one am glad this experience made you more fruitful. And interesting post. Personally, I wouldn’t do anything such as you did and think you brave for doing it. I hate the fact that there is evil in this world supernaturally and worldly. May you always have sunshiny days and blessings from our Almighty God who overrides every evil no matter what. And :hug1: to your wife who may have found things moved around disconcerting. 🙂

Love ya’ll lots,
Sheila is my real name and blessings from our almighty God to every person on earth.

Not saying you need this but wanting you to have joyful days in your house. I pray this prayer and I haven’t any kind of activity per se. It’s because I think we need Holy Michael’s protection on a daily basis because the world is what it is. 🙂

Holy Michael, the Archangel ,
defend us in battle .
Be thou our protection
against the wickedness and snares of the devil .
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray ;
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host ,
by the Divine Power of God, cast into hell ,
Satan and all other evil spirits,
who wander through the world ,
seeking the ruin of souls .
Amen .
Amen! May all the Archangels and Our Guardian Angels be there for us at all times to protect us from evil.

I personally believe God has used this whole thing to bring me back to His Church for he uses evil we commit at times to bring about good. How loving and merciful a God we have!
 
I once many years back being foolish went “ghost hunting” in the mountains with a friend once. My friend kept shouting, “show yourself! If theres anyone there, show yourself!” Right after that, a strong shower poured down on us instantly and it just wouldnt stop raining. There was no signs of a storm and it was so immediate. Dont know if that was attributed to anything. Another time I was in a canyon and we were just driving around around 2am and got out of the car, because we saw the silhoutte of a little boy running downside the canyon.

Do problems typically occur right after these kind of activities or can it take years before noticing some of the “symptoms”?
 
I’m not saying these spirits are good but they haven’t effected me in a negative way whatsoever.
I’ve had some bouts with what seemed to be spirits, and the experiences, whether they were “good” or “bad” spirits, have strengthened my faith. If you accept them and deal with them it really isn’t as bad as all the fear-mongering would make it out to be. Sorry if all it can do is get into my brain I’m not impressed. When it starts throwing bricks around in my house, I’ll be impressed. If you’re afraid of your own thoughts, as if you might go wacky or psychotic or argue with them, then you will probably have a very difficult time with spirits because they manifest as thoughts and sensory experiences. Self-disclosing, I have not dealt with the kind that throw things around the room – I just dealt with the ones that get into your mind.

Alan
 
I’ve had some bouts with what seemed to be spirits, and the experiences, whether they were “good” or “bad” spirits, have strengthened my faith. If you accept them and deal with them it really isn’t as bad as all the fear-mongering would make it out to be. Sorry if all it can do is get into my brain I’m not impressed. When it starts throwing bricks around in my house, I’ll be impressed. If you’re afraid of your own thoughts, as if you might go wacky or psychotic or argue with them, then you will probably have a very difficult time with spirits because they manifest as thoughts and sensory experiences. Self-disclosing, I have not dealt with the kind that throw things around the room – I just dealt with the ones that get into your mind.

Alan
Accept them, deal with them, and they are not so bad? They’ve deceived you. Don’t feel bad. They are masters at deception. Throwing bricks is the least impressive thing they do. I can do that. Demons can manifest in different ways. Their most devastating work is done subtly without manifestation. All they need to accomplish their goal is to convince a person that a certain vice is OK or get them to believe a heresy. They don’t care if their victim believes his faith is strengthened. It only takes one mortal sin.
 
Accept them, deal with them, and they are not so bad? They’ve deceived you. Don’t feel bad. They are masters at deception. Throwing bricks is the least impressive thing they do. I can do that. Demons can manifest in different ways. Their most devastating work is done subtly without manifestation. All they need to accomplish their goal is to convince a person that a certain vice is OK or get them to believe a heresy. They don’t care if their victim believes his faith is strengthened. It only takes one mortal sin.
That’s right. If they get physical, then I have a problem. As long as they want to play in my mind, they don’t intimidate me anymore, at all. They’ve had their say. They’ve gotten me locked up, locked out, banned and shunned. They’ve gotten me to risk my life and worse. They had a crucifix appear as a moving serpent, while I was playing pipe organ at Mass. But the Lord chose to perform miraculous healing in me, putting me in charge of my own mind … leaving me a mental/emotional/spiritual ninja. Woo hoo! Bring it awn! :nunchuk:

Being healed by the Lord is way better than never being sick in the first place. 😉

Alan
 
I’m very concerned that the OP and his wife are seeing strange paranormal activity in their home. Both of you may have a demonic attachment due to the OP foolishly trying to record “ghostly” voices which were demons. Please know that if this is the case you will need help from the Church. Going to confession frequently(once a aweek) going to Mass and receiving the Eucharist more than once a week. Have salt blessed and spread it around your house.Holy water also. You must avail yourself of the sacraments frequently and try to live a holy life. It may take months for this to go away but don’t give up. If it gets worse contact your Bishop. Keep in mind that not all priests feel comfortable dealing with this but every priest can give you the sacraments frequently. Please take this seriously and don’t delay.For some reason God has permitted this and perhaps it is to increase your faith. Be very, very grateful that you are Catholic right now and embrace the sacraments. I hope that you will never search for occult activity again.
 
I once got advise on dealing with these hauntings if any should occur. A priest once told me that they either could be A) souls in purgatory or B) demons.

Either way it helps to pray, especially the rosary.

Also one should not try to contact the other side. You don’t know who’s going to answer. 😃

However it is possible that supernatural activity could occur even when following the advise of not actively contacting the other side. I used to be a skeptic until I saw some activities in my Aunt’s house.In that case, praying would be good.
 
Accept them, deal with them, and they are not so bad? They’ve deceived you. Don’t feel bad. They are masters at deception. Throwing bricks is the least impressive thing they do. I can do that. Demons can manifest in different ways. Their most devastating work is done subtly without manifestation. All they need to accomplish their goal is to convince a person that a certain vice is OK or get them to believe a heresy. They don’t care if their victim believes his faith is strengthened. It only takes one mortal sin.
I have to agree wholeheartedly here.

Most of my family thinks they can do whatever they want because God is merciful. They think they dont have to try. They think they are exempt.

That right there is the most dangerous type of mentality and deception, because they see no reason to change and are in a way blinded.
 
Time is irrelevant in their world.
How would one know if they have unknowingly invited spirits while being foolish?

I have not really noticed anything unusual, except that my life was very chaotic at the time and i am still scarred by heavy temptations from that point on my life. But then again that seems quite ordinary compared to the things Ive read around here.
 
I have to agree wholeheartedly here.

Most of my family thinks they can do whatever they want because God is merciful. They think they dont have to try. They think they are exempt.

That right there is the most dangerous type of mentality and deception, because they see no reason to change and are in a way blinded.
By the time my comments went around the “telephone game” they have morphed; this is a far cry from what I originally said. (Or at least what I meant.) I’m saying that I have no idea about spirits who do physical manifestations, but other than that I have dealt with enough in my mind they don’t scare me. I got so used to them, I don’t even notice them anymore unless I get startled or otherwise “pinged.” :manvspc:

Has nothing to do with being exempt from God. It has everything to do with being guided by the Holy Spirit. Problem is, you get people thinking they are guided by the Holy Spirit when they don’t know the Holy Spirit from their own egos – or influences from their own carnal flesh for that matter. These people definitely can fool themselves into believing they can just do anything and IMO they are targets for the spirits of the Worst Kind – the “holy” self-righteous. The kind that made Jesus go berserk. And they think they are on Jesus’s side and against the Pharisees. :sad_yes:

Alan
 
By the time my comments went around the “telephone game” they have morphed; this is a far cry from what I originally said. (Or at least what I meant.) I’m saying that I have no idea about spirits who do physical manifestations, but other than that I have dealt with enough in my mind they don’t scare me. I got so used to them, I don’t even notice them anymore unless I get startled or otherwise “pinged.” :manvspc:

Has nothing to do with being exempt from God. It has everything to do with being guided by the Holy Spirit. Problem is, you get people thinking they are guided by the Holy Spirit when they don’t know the Holy Spirit from their own egos – or influences from their own carnal flesh for that matter. These people definitely can fool themselves into believing they can just do anything and IMO they are targets for the spirits of the Worst Kind – the “holy” self-righteous. The kind that made Jesus go berserk. And they think they are on Jesus’s side and against the Pharisees. :sad_yes:

Alan
Lol Alan hi, sorry I was not referring to you there. I was just referring to people who do have that mindset though and I agreed that subtle deception is much more dangerous than a physical beating. Thats all I was commenting on.
 
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