A Tridentine Mass in Every Parish?

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Pope wants Tridentine Masses in every parish, says Vatican official

The pope wants the Latin Mass to be available in parishes “even if it is not specifically asked for, or requested”, according to a senior Vatican official.

Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos, President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, said priests should make the extraordinary form available so that “everyone may have access to this treasure of the ancient liturgy of the Church”.

In the latest sign that Pope Benedict XVI wants to make the Mass more widely available, the Cardinal made the comments in a Latin Mass DVD put together by the traditionalist group the Priestly Fraternity of St Peter in cooperation with Catholic television station EWTN.

The cardinal added that the Pope wants the old rite to become normal in parishes, so that “young communities can also become familiar with this rite”. The Ecclesia Dei Commission is tasked with the implementation of Pope Benedict’s Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum on the 1962 Latin Mass.

It has been claimed that priests may not celebrate a traditional Mass publicly in their parish unless they have first received a petition from a “stable group”. Some bishops have tried to limit the public celebrations of the Tridentine Mass by imposing a minimum number of people in such a group.

But Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos’s announcement suggests that priests should use the 1962 Missale Romanum in their parishes without such a request. Copies of the instructional video on the 1962 Latin Mass will be available for free to any priest or seminarian who orders it.

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In those dioceses in which some parishes have to wait their turn to have an OF Mass, I’m doubting that such a requirement is a realistic possibility.

In metropolitan areas, choosing among the available churches those most appropriate in art and architecture, the suitability of the organ, and so on, so that as many Catholics as possible have access to the TLM both in a quality setting and within a reasonable distance seems the most reasonable.

In other words, make it a priority for the diocese, rather than something each parish does, fending for itself.
 
…still, there are so many - at least here - who won’t stand for it. Such a shame.
 
paramedicgirl said:
The pendulum swings…

Pope wants Tridentine Masses in every parish, says Vatican official

The pope wants the Latin Mass to be available in parishes “even if it is not specifically asked for, or requested”, according to a senior Vatican official.

Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos, President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, said priests should make the extraordinary form available so that “everyone may have access to this treasure of the ancient liturgy of the Church”.

In the latest sign that Pope Benedict XVI wants to make the Mass more widely available, the Cardinal made the comments in a Latin Mass DVD put together by the traditionalist group the Priestly Fraternity of St Peter in cooperation with Catholic television station EWTN.

The cardinal added that the Pope wants the old rite to become normal in parishes, so that “young communities can also become familiar with this rite”. The Ecclesia Dei Commission is tasked with the implementation of Pope Benedict’s Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum on the 1962 Latin Mass.

It has been claimed that priests may not celebrate a traditional Mass publicly in their parish unless they have first received a petition from a “stable group”. Some bishops have tried to limit the public celebrations of the Tridentine Mass by imposing a minimum number of people in such a group.

But Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos’s announcement suggests that priests should use the 1962 Missale Romanum in their parishes without such a request. Copies of the instructional video on the 1962 Latin Mass will be available for free to any priest or seminarian who orders it.

Read the rest here
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“We have a Pope !”
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markadm said:
…still, there are so many - at least here - who won’t stand for it. Such a shame.
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paramedicgirl said:
God is patient. When that generation passes away, the return to tradition will really begin.
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Won’t stand for it? Shame? And who is it you waiting with such eager expectation to have die off, paramedicgirl? What on earth are you people talking about?

Do you think somebody has to have it in for the TLM to think that adding a requirement for it is not feasible? There are places in this nation where it is hard to find enough priests to cover the OF Masses that are needed.

I go to a parish where one priest serves where there were three about thirty years ago. The parish I grew up in is now served by a retired priest who, with the help of pastoral administrators, served *four *parishes, the last I checked. These parishes are 45 minutes or less from the state capital!! The high school I went to used to have two priests on faculty; now there are none…and yes, back in the late '70s, they taught Latin at that high school. My home parish taught out of the Baltimore Catechism through the 70s, and maybe longer than that. We are not talking liberal Catholicism central, here.

Hello, but the priests still in the harness have poured themselves out under very difficult circumstances for decades, and anybody who is eagerly awaiting the day they move on…well, I have to wonder if you are not more ungrateful than expectant.

I won’t be back online for some time to answer your replies. Don’t take silence as either agreement or disdain, please. I don’t think you’re awful people, but I do think you’re jumping to some conclusions about why somebody might not think this is such a great idea just yet.
 
EasterJoy said:
There are places in this nation where it is hard to find enough priests to cover the OF Masses that are needed.
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But that is exactly the point. The decline of vocations has been a problem which the Holy Father has tried to rectify with the SP. With the new freedom priests and priests-in-training now have, the hope is that more vocations will happen not only in the near future but for future generations.

Catholics (and the laity in particular) have been demanding more priests for the OF Masses, yet they insist on running the parishes and liturgies themselves, basically leaving the priest pretty much on the sidelines except to consecrate the Host. No wonder there has been a decline in vocations. Since Vatican II, maybe the “priesthood of the laity” has been perhaps just a little too overblown and it should rightfully be returned back to the priests?
 
ProVobis said:
Was there ever any doubt? 🙂

Here’s an interview with Cardinal Hoyos. SSPX is mentioned in a very optimistic tone.
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Not in my mind. I truly love BXVI, and I get very upset at the negative comments by traditionalists (I consider myself one), who question HH’s motives.

Those red shoes are taking baby steps in the right direction IMO. Anyone who thinks he, or any Pope, can just jump up and say “VII and the NO was a bad idea”, and proceed to initiate an immediate “house cleaning” is dreaming.

I prefer prayer for BXVI, to judgement of him. And I’ll add that declaring dead Popes heretics crosses the line as well.
 
I’d like to go to them again. I don’t know if they will ever be able to have them in every parish right now, but it might be possible in the future…

I asked my priest about having them and he said we would wait and see …I am sure its going to be a lot of work learning to say a Latin mass once again

The younger priest might not even know how…I have also heard that you have to find all of the vestments and the the things on the altar that they don’t use any longer…It will be interesting to see what happens

I am in favor of it:)
 
EasterJoy said:
Won’t stand for it? Shame? And who is it you waiting with such eager expectation to have die off, paramedicgirl? What on earth are you people talking about?

Do you think somebody has to have it in for the TLM to think that adding a requirement for it is not feasible? There are places in this nation where it is hard to find enough priests to cover the OF Masses that are needed.

I go to a parish where one priest serves where there were three about thirty years ago. The parish I grew up in is now served by a retired priest who, with the help of pastoral administrators, served *four *parishes, the last I checked. These parishes are 45 minutes or less from the state capital!! The high school I went to used to have two priests on faculty; now there are none…and yes, back in the late '70s, they taught Latin at that high school. My home parish taught out of the Baltimore Catechism through the 70s, and maybe longer than that. We are not talking liberal Catholicism central, here.

Hello, but the priests still in the harness have poured themselves out under very difficult circumstances for decades, and anybody who is eagerly awaiting the day they move on…well, I have to wonder if you are not more ungrateful than expectant.

I won’t be back online for some time to answer your replies. Don’t take silence as either agreement or disdain, please. I don’t think you’re awful people, but I do think you’re jumping to some conclusions about why somebody might not think this is such a great idea just yet.
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Easter, I do not wait with eager anticipation for anyone to die off. I’m in the business of keeping people alive. Please allow me to decipher my post for you. When I said God is patient, I meant that because God exists outside of time, what seems like a long time to us is not to God.

When I said “When that generation passes away, the return to tradition will really begin,” what I meant is that (some of) this generation who saw the beginnings of the changes in the Mass have become attached to it, and do not want to see a return to tradition. But there are many young people now who desire a return to tradition, and that means they are not following in their parents Novus Ordo footsteps. I’m sorry I didn’t write out my post that way. I thought people would be able read between the lines. Again, sorry for the confusion.
 
Saying that “everyone should have access” is not the same as saying “every parish must have a TLM”

On the other hand, maybe all the parishes that have Spanish Mass to accomodate the Mexicans can drop the Spanish Mass in favor of a TLM?
 
This is not what I heard from our Bishop, Thomas Doran.

He was part of the group of bishops who heard Pope Benedict XVI speak when he came to the U.S. (Bishop Doran is also very involved with Canon Law in various committees).

I don’t have the exact quote (I throw out my newspapers, including the Catholic newspaper that we get every week), but apparently Pope Benedict XVI stated something to the effect that the bishops need to be open-minded enough to accept the new, but closed-minded enough to reject the bad.

This doesn’t sound like he is trying to get rid of the NO.

Bishop Doran has encouraged a TLM in this diocese, as have other bishops. We’ve had daily TLM since the mid 1980s, so we do NOT have a bishop who is opposed to TLM. Don’t accuse our bishop of being liberal!

I think that some of you are reading too much into Pope Benedict XVI’s comments. He is not advocating the end of NO at all. He is only working to make TLM available to all Catholics who want it. That’s good. But don’t turn him into an anti-NO Pope.
 
Cat said:
This is not what I heard from our Bishop, Thomas Doran.

He was part of the group of bishops who heard Pope Benedict XVI speak when he came to the U.S. (Bishop Doran is also very involved with Canon Law in various committees).

I don’t have the exact quote (I throw out my newspapers, including the Catholic newspaper that we get every week), but apparently Pope Benedict XVI stated something to the effect that the bishops need to be open-minded enough to accept the new, but closed-minded enough to reject the bad.

This doesn’t sound like he is trying to get rid of the NO.

Bishop Doran has encouraged a TLM in this diocese, as have other bishops. We’ve had daily TLM since the mid 1980s, so we do NOT have a bishop who is opposed to TLM. Don’t accuse our bishop of being liberal!

I think that some of you are reading too much into Pope Benedict XVI’s comments. He is not advocating the end of NO at all. He is only working to make TLM available to all Catholics who want it. That’s good. But don’t turn him into an anti-NO Pope.
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Cat, I don’t think anyone is saying that that Pope Benedict is advocating the end of the Novus Ordo Mass. Some of us are excited about our Pope wanting a traditional Mass in every parish. Eventually, that may mean that people will gravitate towards it, making it quite popular. That is all anyone here is saying, as far as I can tell.
 
ethelzguy said:
Saying that “everyone should have access” is not the same as saying “every parish must have a TLM”
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That’s right. The biggest city in our area has a population of about 75,000. One parish has the TLM every Sunday, and the attendance is betwen 35 - 50 people per week. As much as Iove the TLM, I see no reason to burden our already-overworked parish priests by requiring each of them to have a TLM when we already have so many empty seats in the one already up and running. Maybe some day, but now is not the time, at least not in this neck of the woods. And then there is the matter of finding a schola to sing and an organist to play for the extra Masses… 🤷
 
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