A U2charist? Episcopalians throw in U2 music with a liturgy

[Harpazo]

I heard a girl at school talking about this today, whose mother is an Episcopal “priest.” She was talking about how they jammed to U2 songs during an Episcopal service. When I hear things like this, how can it not be heresy?

Here’s a link from my town newspaper: roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/148674

The leader of the US Episcopal church was there. To me, it sounded like a bunch of typical “feel good” stuff, with all the emphasis on making themselves happy. Ugh, this stuff affirms my belief that the Catholic Church is God’s Church.

Has anyone heard of these things going on? If there are any Episcopalians, what is your reaction to it? Do you support it?

I guess what they say is true, the longer you’re out of the Catholic Church, the more prone to Heresy you are…

Pace e Bene
Andrew

 

[holdencaulfield]

I heard a girl at school talking about this today, whose mother is an Episcopal “priest.” She was talking about how they jammed to U2 songs during an Episcopal service. When I hear things like this, how can it not be heresy?

Here’s a link from my town newspaper: roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/148674

The leader of the US Episcopal church was there. To me, it sounded like a bunch of typical “feel good” stuff, with all the emphasis on making themselves happy. Ugh, this stuff affirms my belief that the Catholic Church is God’s Church.

Has anyone heard of these things going on? If there are any Episcopalians, what is your reaction to it? Do you support it?

I guess what they say is true, the longer you’re out of the Catholic Church, the more prone to Heresy you are…

Pace e Bene
Andrew

Blasphemy, The Protestant Churches are really into defying the Bible and teaching what ever they feel like. So much for Sola Scriptura.

 

[Valke2]

I heard a girl at school talking about this today, whose mother is an Episcopal “priest.” She was talking about how they jammed to U2 songs during an Episcopal service. When I hear things like this, how can it not be heresy?

Here’s a link from my town newspaper: roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/148674

The leader of the US Episcopal church was there. To me, it sounded like a bunch of typical “feel good” stuff, with all the emphasis on making themselves happy. Ugh, this stuff affirms my belief that the Catholic Church is God’s Church.

Has anyone heard of these things going on? If there are any Episcopalians, what is your reaction to it? Do you support it?

I guess what they say is true, the longer you’re out of the Catholic Church, the more prone to Heresy you are…

Pace e Bene
Andrew

What is wrong with feel good stuff?

 

[holdencaulfield]

What is wrong with feel good stuff?

Nothing. It just shouldn’t be done in Church Service, It’s blasphemy. Although we all know that the Anglican Church usually strays from the Bible. St. Thomas More knows it better than most.

“for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.” (1 Timothy 2:2)

 

[nsper7]

Has anyone heard of these things going on? If there are any Episcopalians, what is your reaction to it? Do you support it?

That kind of thing has never happened at the Episcopal church (actually Chapel House) that I attend, except for the part about having a female priest (our Chaplain, an ordained priest, is female), although we use modern songs (think of things put out by Vineyard Music, nothing overbearing or disrespectful) and more classic songs (i.e. Amazing Grace).

In terms of a Eucharist using U2’s music, my main questions is was the music worshipping God or not? If it was properly worshipful and bringing people into a better level of worship, what is wrong with it (unless it was disturbing the ability for the celebrant to lead the service and sanctify the Eucharist, and the attendees to take communion in a respectful manner)?

EDIT:

Nothing. It just shouldn’t be done in Church Service, It’s blasphemy.

How is it blasphemous if the music was glorifying God?

 

[holdencaulfield]

That kind of thing has never happened at the Episcopal church (actually Chapel House) that I attend, except for the part about having a female priest (our Chaplain, an ordained priest, is female), although we use modern songs (think of things put out by Vineyard Music, nothing overbearing or disrespectful) and more classic songs (i.e. Amazing Grace).

In terms of a Eucharist using U2’s music, my main questions is was the music worshipping God or not? If it was properly worshipful and bringing people into a better level of worship, what is wrong with it (unless it was disturbing the ability for the celebrant to lead the service and sanctify the Eucharist, and the attendees to take communion in a respectful manner)?

EDIT:

How is it blasphemous if the music was glorifying God?

It isn’t (in theory) but context has a lot to do with it. Do you think it would be blasphemous to blast Christian Metal even though that in definition is praising God. I think it would be blasphemous. I didn’t say the music was blasphemous, just the context it was used in.

 

[Valke2]

Nothing. It just shouldn’t be done in Church Service, It’s blasphemy. Although we all know that the Anglican Church usually strays from the Bible. St. Thomas More knows it better than most.

“for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.” (1 Timothy 2:2)

How is singing a U2 song blasphemy? I am not trying to promote an argument or to treat more traditional christianity lightly. Is there anything wrong with using popular songs or tunes to encourage participation in a service?

In Judaism most (if not all) services end with a 12th century prayer called Adon Olam. Many shuls sing this song/poem/prayer to different tunes each week. Last week, for example, the service I attended did it to the tune of “California Dreaming”.

 

[holdencaulfield]

How is singing a U2 song blasphemy? I am not trying to promote an argument or to treat more traditional christianity lightly. Is there anything wrong with using popular songs or tunes to encourage participation in a service?

In Judaism most (if not all) services end with a 12th century prayer called Adon Olam. Many shuls sing this song/poem/prayer to different tunes each week. Last week, for example, the service I attended did it to the tune of “California Dreaming”.

I didn’t say that it was blasphemy I just thought that it should not be done in a service. It would be different if it was like a youth group or something.

 

[Valke2]

I didn’t say that it was blasphemy I just thought that it should not be done in a service. It would be different if it was like a youth group or something.

I got the impression from the article that it was some sort of youth group

 

[Pong]

Ok wait, so… not only do we have liturgy police scrutinizing our masses, but some now feel the need to do the same with other people’s?! This is too weird for words. If you aren’t an Anglican, and don’t believe that they have valid sacraments, then why, exactly, do you care?

 

[Syele]

It was a youth service. I atteneded a few Teen life Mass services before myself (years ago), though this one seems a bit more umm loud.

In scripture, people danced and sang and shouted in praise to God. So I don’t care if they are dancing singing shouting and being loud…but I ask instead where is their focus? Is it on God? or on the music itself? Do they wave cell phones only cause it’s fun or are they tryinging to express something? Are the words they sing praises to God? Experssions of love for Him? Do they know what they are singing and why?

I wasn’t there, so I can not answer these questions. I Can get an idea though by considering the lyrics of the songs.

U2 › Where The Streets Have No Name (5:35)
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I want to run
I want to hide
I want to tear down the walls
That hold me inside
I want to reach out
And touch the flame
Where the streets have no name

I want to feel, sunlight on my face
See that dust cloud disappear without a trace
I want to take shelter from the poison rain
Where the streets have no name

Where the streets have no name
Where the streets have no name
Were still building
Then burning down love, burning down love
And when I go there
I go there with you…
(its all I can do)

The cities a flood
And our love turns to rust
Were beaten and blown by the wind
Trampled into dust
Ill show you a place
High on ta desert plain
Where the streets have no name

Where the streets have no name
Where the streets have no name
Still building
Then burning down love
Burning down love
And when I go there
I go there with you
(its all I can do)

 

[THutch04]

Well, I know that I never experienced anything like that, and none of the priests I’ve personally known would have even considered allowing something like that during the context of a Eucharistic celebration. Most (and by most I mean about 99%) of the clergy and lay people whom I’ve spoken to are not in favor of using music like this during the Liturgy.

Once again another example of one group giving bad publicity for the entire organization.

 

[Scottgun]

What is wrong with feel good stuff?

In short, it panders to therapeutic consumer culture and thus trivializes the Faith and reduces it to just another product like a self-help seminar.

 

[lukewarm]

I heard a girl at school talking about this today, whose mother is an Episcopal “priest.” She was talking about how they jammed to U2 songs during an Episcopal service. When I hear things like this, how can it not be heresy?

Here’s a link from my town newspaper: roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/148674

The leader of the US Episcopal church was there. To me, it sounded like a bunch of typical “feel good” stuff, with all the emphasis on making themselves happy. Ugh, this stuff affirms my belief that the Catholic Church is God’s Church.

Has anyone heard of these things going on? If there are any Episcopalians, what is your reaction to it? Do you support it?

I guess what they say is true, the longer you’re out of the Catholic Church, the more prone to Heresy you are…

Pace e Bene
Andrew

I would take a nice rendition or “With or WIthout You” over putrid liturgical dance anyday. Thank God you haven’t seen any Barney or clown masses from the Catholic Church.

 

[holdencaulfield]

If it was a youth group, then it’s ok in my opinion. I’m not Anglican, so whatever you want to do fine.

 

[Valke2]

In my earlier posts I did not take into account that this was occuring during or around the Eucharist. I can see how this would upset those who believe in its mystery. But that’s why they have alternative services. For a group that does not connect in the traditional way.

 

[Harpazo]

In my earlier posts I did not take into account that this was occuring during or around the Eucharist. I can see how this would upset those who believe in its mystery. But that’s why they have alternative services. For a group that does not connect in the traditional way.

While I don’t believe their Eucharist is nothing more than bread and fermented grape juice, if their church says it is a certain thing, and then to bring in some secular music and treat the Eucharist as if it’s bread and wine leads me to believe other things about what their Hierarchy sees it as. I’m seeing hypocrisy.

I truly hope events like this, and the Archbishop Rowan “Gay service” scandal cause Episcopalians and Anglicans to really think about what happens when you’re cut off from Christ and His Church for so long…

Prayers are with them.

Pace e Bene
Andrew

 

[Righteousone]

How is singing a U2 song blasphemy? I am not trying to promote an argument or to treat more traditional christianity lightly. Is there anything wrong with using popular songs or tunes to encourage participation in a service?

In Judaism most (if not all) services end with a 12th century prayer called Adon Olam. Many shuls sing this song/poem/prayer to different tunes each week. Last week, for example, the service I attended did it to the tune of “California Dreaming”.

But you are not a Christian, therefore you wouldn’t understand.

 

[Righteousone]

What is wrong with feel good stuff?

Christ’s church is Holy, just as He was.

 

[SIA]

I heard a girl at school talking about this today, whose mother is an Episcopal “priest.” She was talking about how they jammed to U2 songs during an Episcopal service. When I hear things like this, how can it not be heresy?

Here’s a link from my town newspaper: roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/148674

The leader of the US Episcopal church was there. To me, it sounded like a bunch of typical “feel good” stuff, with all the emphasis on making themselves happy. Ugh, this stuff affirms my belief that the Catholic Church is God’s Church.

Has anyone heard of these things going on? If there are any Episcopalians, what is your reaction to it? Do you support it?

I guess what they say is true, the longer you’re out of the Catholic Church, the more prone to Heresy you are…

Pace e Bene
Andrew

Oh please. Would you get off of the Episcopalians. Maybe they have a darned good reason to be feeling good. I agree that they have their problems but so does the Catholic church and we need not get into those problems do we?