A unified Catholic voice in politics

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DON’T talk about parties or politicians! OK?

What kind of core or kernel or rallying point needs to be developed before Catholics can drop current party affiliation and identify as Catholic voters in a Catholic party?

One strategy used successfully in the past has been the development of a third party, which usually has a start by endorsing specific candidates of the existing parties.

It’s hardly unrealistic to think of the demise of the current parties. Each has only a tiny percentage of supporters truly devoted to them, the hardcore.

Would you identify as a Catholic Party member?
I don’t understand why religion and politics is separated in our society.

Our rights do not exist in bubbles. We can mix them.

Aren’t people supposed to vote their consciences? Church seems like the logical place to discuss such issues.

(Oh, well - churches will have to pay taxes then!)

Why?

Don’t people have a right to Free Speech and Free Religion? Why is our government threatening us for exercising our rights? And why aren’t politicians who say such things throw out of office?

We know the answer. If the church actually backed certain movements, religious speech would be encouraged.
 
Agreed with the other commentators on this thread, but I will be a bit more specific.

I would assume that with this “Catholic Party”, there would be, as a plank, or several planks, of their platform that they would support implementation of the Social Teaching of the Church in all matters of national policy.

So let’s take one issue from this: unions. The Church favors unions, right?

Well…let’s look at the Magisterium on this:

From Pope St Pius X, Encyclical Singulari Quadam (On Labor Organizations) – from 1912:
  1. Furthermore, if Catholics are to be permitted to join the trade unions, these associations must avoid everything that is not in accord, either in principle or practice, with the teachings and commandments of the Church or the proper ecclesiastical authorities. Similarly, everything is to be avoided in their literature or public utterances or actions which in the above view would incur censure.
The Bishops, therefore, should consider it their sacred duty to observe carefully the conduct of all these associations and to watch diligently that the Catholic members do not suffer any harm as a result of their participation. The Catholic members themselves, however, should never permit the unions, whether for the sake of material interests of their members or the union cause as such, to proclaim or support teachings or to engage in activities which would conflict in any way with the directives proclaimed by the supreme teaching authority of the Church, especially those mentioned above. Therefore, as often as problems arise concerning matters of justice or charity, the Bishops should take the greatest care to see that the faithful do not overlook Catholic moral teaching and do not depart from it even a finger’s breadth.
This was validated by both Pope Pius XI and Pope Pius XII. Multiple popes have cautioned against having a “class struggle” between labor and capital (including Leo XIII, John XXIII, and John Paul II).

Pope John Paul II, in his Encylcical, Laborem Exercens, cautioned about labor unions being closely associated with one party or another.

In this sense, union activity undoubtedly enters the field of *politics, *understood as *prudent concern for the common good. *However, the role of unions is not to “play politics” in the sense that the expression is commonly understood today. Unions do not have the character of political parties struggling for power; they should not be subjected to the decision of political parties or have too close links with them. In fact, in such a situation they easily lose contact with their specific role, which is to secure the just rights of workers within the framework of the common good of the whole of society; instead they become an instrument used for other purposes.
Yet what we see, today, is completely opposite of the Ordinary Magisterium. Can anybody tell me the last time they heard any hierarch speak out about any union supporting such things as abortion, homosexual ‘unions’, or fomenting a class struggle?

Don’t get me wrong: I’m not besmirching any hierarch for silence here (as, obviously, none of us would know any private conversations they may or may not have had with union leaders). But you can see, if from no place else, from the pages of CAF, where many people take the Church’s support for labor unions as being absolute, regardless of the actions of the union, itself.

That’s just one example. You can also read in the words of the popes words talking about the true meaning of solidarity, subsidiarity, what the “common good” actually means, and so forth. And then you can read in the words of others how these clear concepts are perverted.

My concern with a so-called “Catholic Party” is that it would quickly be perverted by those who attempt to pervert the Social Doctrine of the Church already…

The best thing to do is for all of us to become very, very familiar with the Church’s Social Doctrine (what the popes have actually written, not what others say about it) and then to push the parties that are out there already to actually implement that in the earthly city.
 
I’ve a lot of practical experience in state and local politics, and studied political science at the advanced level.

I tend to think a Catholic Party is doable.

But it’s a mistake to throw pies at it under the assumption that it would be the bishop’s vehicle or that it would begin life already operating at an adult stage of development.

Such a thing would grow from a small beginning and gradually develop, finding answers as it grew. Some projects and plans cannot be entirely foretold from the start, but require time and experience to be shaped correctly.

A world party? Why not?

The basic (and exceptionally robust) idea that it contains is that your life can be meaningful.

In our bizarre times, when there is no purpose or meaning offered for one’s life, that’s a major selling point.
 
DON’T talk about parties or politicians! OK?

What kind of core or kernel or rallying point needs to be developed before Catholics can drop current party affiliation and identify as Catholic voters in a Catholic party?

One strategy used successfully in the past has been the development of a third party, which usually has a start by endorsing specific candidates of the existing parties.

It’s hardly unrealistic to think of the demise of the current parties. Each has only a tiny percentage of supporters truly devoted to them, the hardcore.

Would you identify as a Catholic Party member?
Yes. It appears to me that God is libertarian (the whole "free will’ thing). Jesus is a little more confusing but despite what many might think… I think he’s libertarian too. After all, we have free will. When he preached, he always seemed to leave everyone an option. He forced you to make a choice which always seemed obvious. Getting a drift of where he was coming from was helpful, it didn’t always succeed. Is it any different today.

Catholic social teaching is correct. But the point would be that we need to be convinced to choose it. It is our job (the convinced) to convince people, one at a time if necessary, to choose to support our teaching… or platform. Which to the best of my knowledge would be fiscally conservative (responsibly managing our resources) and socially libertarian… but most of all personally grounded in Catholic morality and ethics.

If we were socially grounded in Catholic morality and ethics, the topic would be moot. We’d already be there.

But we seem to be working backwards. We need to work from the individual up. Not the top down.
 
A party run by Catholics who do their best to hold to the faith, rather than an official Catholic party, might work.
As Catholics, our approach to politics itself would be completely different. No mud-slinging, only polite discourse. No abuse of the system, but we must use every legitimate method available. We do not have to behave like current politicians.

I, for one, would like to see a political party which is fully pro-life - opposed to euthanasia, abortion and the death penalty.
 
The reason it won’t work is the majority of Catholic Americans are cafeteria Catholics who believe in “abortion rights” and so-called same-sex “marriage.” They believe that the Catholic Church has a “war on women” because She won’t conform to these things. And they have a powerful political party that agrees with then that they won’t leave for anything.
 
It’s hardly unrealistic to think of the demise of the current parties. Each has only a tiny percentage of supporters truly devoted to them, the hardcore.
The irony is that the same could be said of the Catholic Church. How many that identify as Catholic even agree with the Dogma of the Church, for example, much less the remainder of the Catechism?
 
The irony is that the same could be said of the Catholic Church. How many that identify as Catholic even agree with the Dogma of the Church, for example, much less the remainder of the Catechism?
I’ve heard that about 25% of the population is catholic but only about 10% of them are devout. That means about 2-3%.
 
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