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Xarto
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Pro-lifers may need to insist anew that their movement is not merely an effort to make abortions more difficult to obtain but is instead a human rights campaign to protect all human life, including the lives of the unborn and women facing crisis pregnancies
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Inquisitor85
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When the pro-lifers decide that the most pro-life President in history is 45, it’s very, very easy to just call him (and by extension any pro-lifer making the claim) pro-birth. What policies has he enacted to make life better for people in crisis?
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lwest
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As they have.
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lwest
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You simply can’t justify voting for a party platform that accepts abortion up until birth. It’s demonic.
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Xarto
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I often think pro-birth is such a ridiculous term, what do you expect the woman to do with the baby? Not give birth lol?
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PennyinCanada
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People in crisis? I’ve heard this said, and it’s good advice. If you are school age…What policies has he enacted to make life better for people in crisis?
- Stay in school
- Don’t get in trouble with the law.
- Don’t get pregnant.
Making bad decisions and then looking to see how other people are going to fix your problem, that you brought on yourself with bad choices, is the problem.
“Pro-lifers may need to insist anew that their movement is not merely an effort to make abortions more difficult to obtain but is instead a human rights campaign to protect all human life, including the lives of the unborn and women facing crisis pregnancies.”
I have to say that I’ve agreed with this approach since the end of the 80’s. I was an active member of The Right to Life movement throughout the 80’s and at the time was full of conviction that abortion would become illegal by our work. Then there were the scandals involving threats to abortion staff and doctors and even destroying clinics and murdering doctors. At that point, I lost hope in the movement despite those being the work of extremist kooks. From that point I saw more value in what was called the Seamless Garment approach to effective prolife efforts and still do to this day.
“OUR DEFENSE OF THE INNOCENT UNBORN, FOR EXAMPLE, NEEDS TO BE CLEAR, FIRM AND PASSIONATE, FOR AT STAKE IS THE DIGNITY OF A HUMAN LIFE, WHICH IS ALWAYS SACRED AND DEMANDS LOVE FOR EACH PERSON, REGARDLESS OF HIS OR HER STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT. EQUALLY SACRED, HOWEVER, ARE THE LIVES OF THE POOR, THOSE ALREADY BORN, THE DESTITUTE, THE ABANDONED AND THE UNDERPRIVILEGED, THE VULNERABLE INFIRM AND ELDERLY EXPOSED TO COVERT EUTHANASIA, THE VICTIMS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING, NEW FORMS OF SLAVERY, AND EVERY FORM OF REJECTION”
— POPE FRANCIS
GAUDETE ET EXSULTATE, #101
I have to say that I’ve agreed with this approach since the end of the 80’s. I was an active member of The Right to Life movement throughout the 80’s and at the time was full of conviction that abortion would become illegal by our work. Then there were the scandals involving threats to abortion staff and doctors and even destroying clinics and murdering doctors. At that point, I lost hope in the movement despite those being the work of extremist kooks. From that point I saw more value in what was called the Seamless Garment approach to effective prolife efforts and still do to this day.
“OUR DEFENSE OF THE INNOCENT UNBORN, FOR EXAMPLE, NEEDS TO BE CLEAR, FIRM AND PASSIONATE, FOR AT STAKE IS THE DIGNITY OF A HUMAN LIFE, WHICH IS ALWAYS SACRED AND DEMANDS LOVE FOR EACH PERSON, REGARDLESS OF HIS OR HER STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT. EQUALLY SACRED, HOWEVER, ARE THE LIVES OF THE POOR, THOSE ALREADY BORN, THE DESTITUTE, THE ABANDONED AND THE UNDERPRIVILEGED, THE VULNERABLE INFIRM AND ELDERLY EXPOSED TO COVERT EUTHANASIA, THE VICTIMS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING, NEW FORMS OF SLAVERY, AND EVERY FORM OF REJECTION”
— POPE FRANCIS
GAUDETE ET EXSULTATE, #101
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Peeps
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I agree with this. I’ve seen too many women who had no “barriers” like poverty, joblessness, abusive partner, etc. have abortions simply because “the time wasn’t right.” So I don’t buy this stuff about “creating social programs that will allow women to make the choice to give birth to their child.” I don’t think it will make a difference.You simply can’t justify voting for a party platform that accepts abortion up until birth. It’s demonic.
James 1: 14 and 15 talks about lust (or desire) in some translations leading to sin, and sin leading to death. I think that many abortions are simply a desire to not have a baby for various reasons, and many of those reasons are not life-threatening (e.g., poverty, joblessness, abuse). That “desire” to not be pregnant leads to the sinful decision to abort, and that of course, leads to death–not only the death of the baby, but the soul of the woman.
I just don’t see how any Christian can vote for candidates who have made it clear that they want full-on abortion available for everyone and they want the taxpayers to pay for abortions for poor women. That’s a terrible “social program!” I don’t give two hoots what other wonderful social programs in keeping with Catholic teachings that these candidates tout!–as long as they’re willing to see pre-born people killed (and make us pay for it!), I think that we have to say, “Sorry, we love many of your social programs and your plans for the economy, etc., but your abortion stance is unacceptable. I wouldn’t be able to live comfortably in your wonderful ‘Democratic’ America–knowing that people are being killed by the thousands.”
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MikeInVA
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Defunding Planned Parenthood (or at least trying) was a pretty good start, don’t you think?What policies has he enacted to make life better for people in crisis?
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Raxus
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Anyone who tries to make the argument that the pro-life movement is somehow only concerned with babies being birthed is either mistaken or a liar. It’s a straw-man that was built in order for some to be able to point and screech at like a bunch of manic apes, so that they can ignore arguments that they can’t defeat. Nothing more, nothing less.
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FiveLinden
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You need to pre-date the ‘cradle’ in the aphorism somehow to make it consistent with your belief.
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Inquisitor85
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That improves the lives of those needing cervical screening and other medical services that Planned Parenthood provides? How?
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Inquisitor85
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As I’ve said, there’s plenty of posters here who claim DJT is the “most pro-life” President of all time. What hasn’t been established is how that applies to the already living.
(Ignoring the 200k dead from his frankly appalling response to CV-19, and not mentioning the allegations of forced sterilisations in the concentration camps on the US/Mexico border.)
(Ignoring the 200k dead from his frankly appalling response to CV-19, and not mentioning the allegations of forced sterilisations in the concentration camps on the US/Mexico border.)
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MikeInVA
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The very few that partake of these services can always go to a real medical clinic. To defend PP because they do a nominal amount of non-abortive procedures is sad.
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Inquisitor85
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The very few. Ok. Let’s see the numbers.
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I’m not sure what you’d call “very few”, but the numbers for other services provided seem pretty big to me.
Source. 2018/19 Planned Parenthood Annual Report.
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I’m not sure what you’d call “very few”, but the numbers for other services provided seem pretty big to me.
Source. 2018/19 Planned Parenthood Annual Report.
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Lea101
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I’m sure Ben Shapiro meant well when he said it, but that’s tragically ignorant.People in crisis? I’ve heard this said, and it’s good advice. If you are school age…
The ability to make good choices for yourself, to stay on a good course in your life, is up to the individual. No amount of government can fix bad choices.
- Stay in school
- Don’t get in trouble with the law.
- Don’t get pregnant.
Many people have done these three things but still cannot afford college education or healthcare.
My parents did all of these things, but i still needed my “handouts” in order to get into university and actually try to get a job of my own. Even with a degree and a job, I would need some subsidies for my healthcare.
Do you genuinely think people in crisis are all people who didn’t do these things and somehow they’re there because of bad decisions?
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PennyinCanada
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It’s not tragically ignorant. Please. Stay in school, don’t get in trouble with the law, and don’t get pregnant is good advice. Tragically ignorant can be said of those who ignore this good advice to their detriment.but that’s tragically ignorant.
The word ‘crisis’ is used with pregnancy. A ‘crisis pregnancy’. First off, a woman being pregnant is a perfectly normal and human thing. It is also no surprise at how woman gets pregnant. It’s not like they were going about their business and got hit with a bullet. Now that would be the correct use of the word crisis, when someone is crumpled on the sidewalk bleeding with a bullet in their organs. They are there because of someone else’s bad decision. Sometimes it’s a whole load of bad luck.
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Lea101
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It’s good advice in general. As in, it doesn’t get you into added trouble. It doesn’t mean you won’t experience crisis or need help.It’s not tragically ignorant. Please. Stay in school, don’t get in trouble with the law, and don’t get pregnant is good advice. Tragically ignorant can be said of those who ignore this good advice to their detriment.
I’m pretty sure the poster was referring to ‘people in crisis’ in general.The word ‘crisis’ is used with pregnancy
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MikeInVA
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If abortion makes up such a small amount of what PP actually does, then why are they so unwilling to drop that service to maintain Title X funding?
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