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I appreciate this post but need clarification on the end of the last sentence. Who is the “we” ?
What is the purpose of looking in the mirror, researching the past history or admiring ones self?
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GKC
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A well crafted post.
I have no complaints as to the forum, myself, you will understand. But a well crafted post, in any case.
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from Commenter rant:
“… Sometimes non Catholics go off topic by bringing up their own inherent Protestant, or Anglican, or Jewish or Muslim insights, right here on the non Catholic Religions Forum, but there are always a few Catholics who will try to end their tangent, and we restore the focus back on our mirror, where it ought to be.”
A few Catholic posters tend to do this a lot. I try to use a light touch to remind them (us) that the best way to reflect Catholicism is to reflect Christ, and recognize that Lutherans, for instance, are trying hard to focus on God rather than on Lutheranism, let alone Catholicism.
If that Methodist poster wants to focus on Catholicism I am willing to listen, but if their interest is something else, then I want to read about that something else, and hopefully learn something. I find I can’t learn much if I am constantly reading with the idea of writing my own post, with proving to Jews how their Mosaic Law really derives from Catholicism.
Sometimes as a Catholic I feel like I am intruding by posting on the Non Catholic Religions Forum. My lazy self does not need to read papal declarations about Holy Orders because I have GKC I can consult. I won’t get into arguments about Luther, because JonNC knows as much about Luther, or even about Luther’s horse, as I know about my wife, not that she isn’t more important. (The words “she” and “important” referring back to “wife”, not to “horse”).
“… Sometimes non Catholics go off topic by bringing up their own inherent Protestant, or Anglican, or Jewish or Muslim insights, right here on the non Catholic Religions Forum, but there are always a few Catholics who will try to end their tangent, and we restore the focus back on our mirror, where it ought to be.”
By “we”, I meant Catholics. We tend to be preoccupied by ourselves, we display insufficient curiosity about special insights of other faith traditions, and we tend to exaggerate how much those other people criticize/unconsciously imitate/otherwise focus on Catholicism. Catholics would do better to focus on the Blessed Sacrament and Scriptures more, and the mirror less.
A few Catholic posters tend to do this a lot. I try to use a light touch to remind them (us) that the best way to reflect Catholicism is to reflect Christ, and recognize that Lutherans, for instance, are trying hard to focus on God rather than on Lutheranism, let alone Catholicism.
If that Methodist poster wants to focus on Catholicism I am willing to listen, but if their interest is something else, then I want to read about that something else, and hopefully learn something. I find I can’t learn much if I am constantly reading with the idea of writing my own post, with proving to Jews how their Mosaic Law really derives from Catholicism.
Sometimes as a Catholic I feel like I am intruding by posting on the Non Catholic Religions Forum. My lazy self does not need to read papal declarations about Holy Orders because I have GKC I can consult. I won’t get into arguments about Luther, because JonNC knows as much about Luther, or even about Luther’s horse, as I know about my wife, not that she isn’t more important. (The words “she” and “important” referring back to “wife”, not to “horse”).
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Motley, ain’t it? Generally, I mean.
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Hi P,
Believe everything Catholic , except, rosary ( don’t believe in my approaching intercessory relationship with saints in heaven as a habit) , and IC (not necessary and problematic), and Assumption (though possible) and not the future possible decree of “Mediatrix of all graces”.
Blessings
PS just read some of Jack’s post and maybe he is right…light duh, what else would you expect from me…yet it beats watching Ninja Warrior as my wife is doing in the background…lol
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My Pentecostal church taught that Catholics were our beloved brothers and sisters in Christ, with whom we disagreed on some fairly important topics. Mary, we were taught, was the Mother of Jesus, and very likely the greatest human being to ever draw breath (though the difference between even the greatest of finite beings and the omnipotent God tends towards infinity).
Funny thing is: on paper, I’m not sure that any Catholic would disagree with those points (whether or not one cared for their tenor).
Funny thing is: on paper, I’m not sure that any Catholic would disagree with those points (whether or not one cared for their tenor).
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PJM
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Thank you
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Thank you, the issue have with such an approach is two-fold
This is a CATHOLIC WEB SITE
God’s TRUTH can be nothing other tan singular per defined issue, and it seems imprudent NOT to share the Truth God would have US share. Amen
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PJM
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THANK YOU!
Here’s something for you to think about:
This discussion would be incomplete without an explanation of WHY we do what we do. To try to make the issue clear we will use the ”HAILMARY” [used in the Rosary] prayer, which is by far the most used prayer next to the LORDS PAYER, as our example of what we Catholics actually do, and why we do it.
Catholic DEVOTION {not “worship”} to Mary is neither coincidental, or without benefit.
John.19 Verses 25 to 27
“So the soldiers did this. But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Mag’dalene. When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, "Woman, behold,** your son!”** Then he said** to the disciple**, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.
Here we find Jesus, literally moments from death, giving to the "WOMEN: HIS MOTHER] to “THE DISCIPLE” [US! humanity, His very Mother because Jesus Knows no other source can do more for the salvation of souls on behalf of HER SON.
**THE HAIL MARY; BY FAR THE MOST FREQUENT MARIAN PRAYER IS WELL GROUNDED IN THE BIBLE
Hail Mary, [Lk. 1:28]
Full of Grace [Lk. 1:28]
The Lord is with thee [Lk 1:27]
Blessed are you among all women [Lk 1:42]
And Blessed in the fruit of your womb: Jesus [Lk. 1;42]
Holy Mary [Lk.1: 28]
Mother of God 1:35
Pray for us sinners [our catholic petition]
Now and at the hour of our death
Amen” *
Mary, Mother of God: Perfect
Hebrews 5: 9 “and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,”
Luke Chapter One
26 And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth 27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women 29 Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be. 30 And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God. 31 Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever 33 And of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34 And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man? 35 And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Mary neither supplants or is a substitute for JESUS ; She is however the most effective intercessor of Souls on His behalf. Amen.
You’re close my friend, KEEP praying and seeking
Continued Blessings
Patrick*
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Consider reading the most powerful Catholic apologist, ever, in the English language: G. K. Chesterton. If you have already read him, try re reading, not so much with looking at the content but the style. Besides being the most powerful literary force towards specifically the Catholic church he is, along with C. S. Lewis, the strongest influence for “mere Christianity” - in other words, gently guiding the non Christian into Christianity itself - a task we have in common with non Catholic Christians on this forum.
You won’t find any writer in English more endorsed by popes and bishops, more supportive of the Magisterium, and almost certainly an influence on every sensible orthodox Catholic **you **rely on. He, like Lewis, used the light touch. I can imagine a healthy sense of curiosity in both men.
But besides being a place where people argue and try to persuade each other, think of CAF, especially this sub forum, as a place where people enjoy each others’ company.
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PJM
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Excellent advice and a great post, thanks, but I’m obviously neither of them, yet your point is very valid! THANKS
GBY
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I know you are not C. S. Lewis or G. K. Chesterton, and neither am I. But just pointing out they communicated, using the light touch, without compromising their beliefs. You do a tiny bit of apologetics on the side, as I do, on CAF and maybe in person. The important thing is not just what gets written or spoken, but rather, what gets read, and heard.
I see you like to quote Fulton Sheen, deeply influenced by Chesterton, by the way. Sheen had far more education but GKC taught him about style, about reaching the reader where he or she is at.
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Deeply influenced is right. And a little more.
You likely know that when Sheen published his dissertation as GOD AND INTELLIGENCE IN MODERN PHILOSOPHY, Chesterton wrote the intro.
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Probably the most fortunate. The the greatest? I think Jesus would disagree.
Matthew 11:11Certainly those two.Probably the most fortunate. The the greatest? I think Jesus would disagree.
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