A word on Pope Francis for my fellow Traditionalist

[Oneofthewomen]

Can someone dumb down that post for those of us who don’t understand it?

This sums it up pretty well, I think.

 

[mtngal25]

To Christine85:
The traditionalists in the fssp parishes and other approved parishes are not usually the ones acting badly against the pope. Most of that attitude comes from the unapproved groups that are sede vacantists or many of the people in the sspx. The fssp people try to work along with the church and with the bishops and we do accept the pope wholeheartedly. It is just that we do not want to lose what we have and we get little worried until we find that he lets us go along OK and does not prevent us from having what the two former popes allowed. The media has a lot of hatred for tradition because it embodies a lot Catholic identity and culture and the libs want to destroy that so they can erode the faith.
We always pray for the pope and we try to work in harmony with the bishops who let the fssp into their dioceses. I think the outside groups do a lot to give us a bad name because ot the way the say things.

 

[JReducation]

Thank you for your thoughtful response Brother. I was asking because I was willing to admit I was wrong regarding Church teaching if in fact there was none. It is interesting that there is none per se. Regardless, like you said, the Church can not condone it based on its teaching on gay sex. However, we are experiencing certain leaders of the Church who are condoning it. It appears it isn’t just society that isn’t listening. I tend to think the former is more of a concern than the latter.

A priest from the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter said in a homily “Murder is a mortal sin; but God wants us to be more than not-murderers.”

Earlier this week, Papa Francisco quoted Paul VI, so often maligned, so often forgotten – how many Catholics under the age 50 known anything about him? – as “the great Paul VI”. The true purpose of the Council – “the Council of the Fathers” as Pope Benedict put it – was not to embrace the world, but to present the Church teaching as comprehensively addressing all the concerns that are addressed in culture, that the teaching office of the Church had far more to say concerning the sins of the world than only things directed toward the more sensational and grievous of sins against bodily purity. Those sins stem as much from misery and loneliness as they do from idolatry and self-indulgence; and the kindred sins, the ones that always come in company with impurity, preceding it and surrounding it, are the sins that act as a guard around it. And only divine charity can pierce that guard and reach the isolation and misery of the soul that is seeking to assuage its own anguish.

To Christine85:
The traditionalists in the fssp parishes and other approved parishes are not usually the ones acting badly against the pope. Most of that attitude comes from the unapproved groups that are sede vacantists or many of the people in the sspx. The fssp people try to work along with the church and with the bishops and we do accept the pope wholeheartedly. It is just that we do not want to lose what we have and we get little worried until we find that he lets us go along OK and does not prevent us from having what the two former popes allowed. The media has a lot of hatred for tradition because it embodies a lot Catholic identity and culture and the libs want to destroy that so they can erode the faith.
We always pray for the pope and we try to work in harmony with the bishops who let the fssp into their dioceses. I think the outside groups do a lot to give us a bad name because ot the way the say things.

I think that in every situation in the world, there is always the silent majority and that noisy minority that ruins it for everyone else. That’s what you’re describing here. If the pope were to come down on traditionalism it will be because of that loud group.

 

[Eufrosnia]

I have never seen an official statement from the Vatican on civil unions. We have official statements on gay marriage, gay sex, gay rights and gay pastoral care.

The Church’s official position on gay sex would apply to civil union. Objectively speaking, a person who engages in gay sex is culpable of grave sin and the Church cannot condone it.

Condone is not the same as forgive, just in case anyone does not know. The Church must always forgive as Christ forgives.

I believe that this is what we will hear from Pope Francis, when he gets around to it. This is no surprise, because it’s already been said in so many ways. One wonders how many different ways one has to say something before people understand. Sometimes, I think that society is not listening or just plain stubborn.

People do not understand it because people think it is LOVE. They will see anyone, including the Pope, who does not consider it LOVE and just wants to forgive, is one who does not know LOVE.

You want society to listen to LOVE. But what you call LOVE is not what they call LOVE. There is a bit of an intersection in the two definitions on the works of charity, but otherwise, its two widely different definitions.

If I may take a jab to explain why, it is because your love starts with Christ. You love others because you first and foremost love Christ. The people in general today do not truly love Christ. They love themselves first and perhaps even ignores that Christ or God exists. So love for them is a matter of what makes them feel good than what a Divine father has revealed it to be. There is no higher natural order and dignity defined by God but a human order defined by their own thinking and feelings. So in that context, your LOVE is disordered to them.