AA and Eastern Catholic communion?

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I am wondering what is a member of AA to do regarding the Holy Eucharist in an Eastern Catholic church; I am assuming they serve communion like the Orthodox with the Holy Eucharist together, the host in the cup…I have not attended a Divine Liturgy service but plan to, as I am feeling drawn towards the east as I learn more about it, yet do not want to deny the pope, so I have found a Eastern Catholic church realitivly close by, as opposed to the closer Antioch Orthodox church much closer, but as a alcoholic in recovery, one is not supposed to take any amount of alcohol whatsoever, and although I know I could partake of the Holy Eucharist with out being assaulted by the phenomenon of craving associated with the disease of alcoholism, the program of AA says not one drop, what is your opinion, eastern catholics?
Are there any Eastern Catholic AAs out there?
 
I cannot be 100% certain what would be done, since I am a Latin Catholic, but there have been circumstances, for example, where a person has Celiac Disease and cannot eat the host. If they approach the priest ahead of time, they will make arrangements for the communicant to have only wine. It may very well be possible that if you approach the priest, the opposite arrangement can be made, where you receive only the host, but again, I’m not positive.
 
I am wondering what is a member of AA to do regarding the Holy Eucharist in an Eastern Catholic church; I am assuming they serve communion like the Orthodox with the Holy Eucharist together, the host in the cup…I have not attended a Divine Liturgy service but plan to, as I am feeling drawn towards the east as I learn more about it, yet do not want to deny the pope, so I have found a Eastern Catholic church realitivly close by, as opposed to the closer Antioch Orthodox church much closer, but as a alcoholic in recovery, one is not supposed to take any amount of alcohol whatsoever, and although I know I could partake of the Holy Eucharist with out being assaulted by the phenomenon of craving associated with the disease of alcoholism, the program of AA says not one drop, what is your opinion, eastern catholics?
Are there any Eastern Catholic AAs out there?
I am an Eastern Orthodox and a recovering alcoholic. In fact I almost killed myself with my drinking (severe withdrawal). Of course I don’t know what the Eastern Catholic position on this is but my bishop says, and I agree, that it’s impossible to be harmed in any way by the Body and Blood of Christ and that it’s perfectly safe for a recovering alcoholic to receive . So I receive the Eucharist every week with no harm. 😉
 
I am an Eastern Orthodox and a recovering alcoholic. In fact I almost killed myself with my drinking (severe withdrawal). Of course I don’t know what the Eastern Catholic position on this is but my bishop says, and I agree, that it’s impossible to be harmed in any way by the Body and Blood of Christ and that it’s perfectly safe for a recovering alcoholic to receive . So I receive the Eucharist every week with no harm. 😉
I feel that it would be fine as well.
Although I think the majority of AAs would differ, the majority are neither eastern catholic or orthodox either and would reject the Lord’s real presence in the mysterys…but I know ultimatety this will be between me and God, I thank you for your imput !!! 👍
 
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O most merciful sovereign Lady: today do we run to your holy protection. Do not reject our petitions, but graciously hear us: the wives, the children and mothers, and all those bound by the infirmity of drink. Hear us for the sake of our Mother, the Church of Christ, and for the salvation of our brothers and sisters who have fallen away, and for the healing of the members of our families.
O gracious Mother of God, touch their hearts and raise them up who are fallen in sin, and establish them on the path of saving temperance.
Implore your Son, Christ our God, that He would forgive us our sins, and that He would not turn His mercy from us, but strengthen us in soberness and chastity.
Accept, most holy Theotokos, the prayers of the mothers and the tears they shed over their children; the prayers of wives, who sob over their husbands’ condition; of children, of orphans, and of the destitute; of those under delusion and of all of us, who bow before your icon. And grant that our petitions would be carried by your prayers to the throne of the Highest.
Cover us and preserve us from the wiles and snares of the enemy, and in the dreaded hour of our departure from this earth, enable us to pass through the ordeal without falling, and by your prayers deliver us from eternal condemnation. And grant that the mercy of God would be upon us unto ages of ages. Amen!
 
Peso, in my experience I have seen quite a few recovering alcoholics receive the Holy Mysteries regularly; since Holy Communion at least in our Ukrainian Catholic Church is administered with the spoon the amount is quite small; one can also take the bread offered after Communion or the Divine Liturgy (zapivka or antidoron, as the case may be) to also assist in the abolution. I have never heard of receiving the Holy Mysteries to be the cause of a major relapse.
Fr. Deacon RLB

p.s. I love the icon of the Inexhaustible Cup, JosephDaniel! Most Holy Mother of God, save us.
 
The History of the Icon of the Mother of God, The Inexhaustible Cup 18/5 May ( Glorified 1878 ), translation by Sister Dorofea

A peasant from the Efremovskii district of Tula province, a retired soldier, was an alcoholic, and a drunkard. He would drink away all his pension, everything that he possessed, anything that could be found in his house, and eventually he was ruined and literally became a beggar. From excessive drinking, his legs became paralysed, but still he continued drinking.

One day, the man, who seemed to have hit rock-bottom, had an unusual dream. In it a venerable old man came to him and said:

“Go to the city of Serpoukhov, to the monastery of the Mother of God. There you will find an icon of the Holy Mother called The Inexhaustible Cup. Have a moleben before it, and you will be healed, both spiritually and physically.”

Without a penny to his name, and having no use of his legs, the man did not dare to go on a journey. But the holy man came to him a second and then a third time, and was so adamant in his admonition to obey his instructions, that the poor drunk did not dare to disobey any more, and he set off as quickly as he could, dragging himself on all fours.

In one of the neighbouring villages where he stopped to rest, an old woman took him in for the night. To ease his pain, she massaged his legs, and put him to rest on top of the clay oven, a customary place for the old or sickly, because of the warmth. During the night the travelling man felt a pleasant sensation in his legs, and discovered that he was able to stand. On the following nights his legs became even stronger. And so, first with two walking-sticks, and then with just one, he arrived in Serpoukhov.

Once in the monastery, he told about his visions, and asked to have the moleben served. But nobody there had ever heard of such an icon. They started to search for it, and noticed one that was hanging in the passage to the sacristy, that bore an image of a chalice. On the back of it, to their surprise, was written “The Inexhaustible Cup”.

In the icon of St Varlaam, the disciple of the holy bishop Metropolitan Aleksii, the man immediately recognised the face of the holy elder who had appeared to him in his dreams.

From Serpoukhov the man departed, completely healed. The news about the miraculous icon spread quickly through the city, the region, and all of Rus’. Alcoholics ( those bound by the passion of drink ) and their families and friends, were coming to pray before the Mother of God for healing, and in time many came back to thank the all-merciful Theotokos for her speedy help.

Let it be known that this akathist service came to us in Canada in 1994, and we perceive that this is God’s will and from the compassion of the Mother of God. In these times there is the renewal of the Church’s life in the lands of Rus’, and the rediscovery of God’s mercy and tender care. This akathist has been rediscovered and is now frequently served, although the current service of which we have a photocopy was printed in only 4,000 copies. We pray that by offering these translations many souls in North America may be healed and saved.

KONTAK 1 [7]
A wonderful and marvellous healing has been given to us by your holy icon, O sovereign Lady and Mother of God. By its appearance we have been delivered from spiritual and physical ills, and from sorrowful circumstances. So we bring you our thankful praise, O all-merciful Protectress. O sovereign Lady, whom we call “The Inexhaustible Cup”: bend down your ear and mercifully hear our lamentation and tears that we bring to you, and give your healing to those who suffer from drunkenness, so that we may cry out to you with faith: “REJOICE, O INEXHAUSTIBLE CUP THAT QUENCHES OUR SPIRITUAL THIRST!”

IKOS 1
Angelic powers and multitudes of saints continually glorify you, the Mother of God, Queen of all, the intercessor for us sinful christians wallowing in lawlessness and remaining in sins. It is for our consolation and salvation that you in your mercy gave us your miraculous icon, so that looking upon it, as at the one and only star among a multitude of stars on a starlit night, we may prostrate ourselves, shouting from the very depths of our heart:

REJOICE, dwelling-place of the unapproachable God.
REJOICE, our constant wonder.
REJOICE, you make our sorrow wipe away our sins.
REJOICE, you make our grief heal our ills.
REJOICE, through your miraculous icon, you bring us your heavenly mercy.
REJOICE, O joy of our grieving heart.
REJOICE, our wonderful reconciliation with God.
REJOICE, O Sovering Lady, the Inexhaustible Cup that quenches our spiritual thirst!
 
This icon and devotion can equally be applied to any addiction or addictive harmful passion.

I have my own personal story of the wonderworking icon; my son Ilya was born on May 18th (Old Calendar feast day of the miraculous icon). My wife’s blood pressure was fluctuating and there were some other difficulties, including my son only being three pounds at birth. I placed the icon of the Mother of God, the Inexhaustible Cup in her room, quietly prayed the Akathist and within the next two hours, both she and the baby made a great improvement.
 
I have my own personal story of the wonderworking icon; my son Ilya was born on May 18th (Old Calendar feast day of the miraculous icon). My wife’s blood pressure was fluctuating and there were some other difficulties, including my son only being three pounds at birth. I placed the icon of the Mother of God, the Inexhaustible Cup in her room, quietly prayed the Akathist and within the next two hours, both she and the baby made a great improvement.
Father Deacon,

May I ask why you chose that icon and not something like the Typikonissa icon (Mother of God, the Milkgiver) or Saints Cosmas and Damien? Were you following the old calendar and displaying it as it was the feast day or is there more to it?
 
I love that icon and it was the feast on the Old Calendar, and thus it seemed the right one at the right time.

I actually had devotion to that image of the Mother of God for some time because of the immense Eucharistic significance of our Lord in the chalice; while certainly the miracle of Serpukov is nothing short of, well, miraculous.
FDRLB
 
I am going to get one today! :extrahappy:
:extrahappy: Be sure to have it blessed when you are able to.

A moleben is a prayer of supplication. Here is the general outline of a moleben.
orthodox.net/services/moleben.html

Here is how to pray a moleben without a priest or deacon.
saintjonah.org/services/moleben.htm

A moleben can have a shorter akathist inside it, honoring a particular saint or the Lord. Here is how to pray an akathist prayer on your own.
saintjonah.org/services/order.htm

Here is the rest of the akathist Father Deacon Randy started above in honor of the Icon of the Inexhaustible Cup.
antiochian.org/1103412970

This is a different akathist to the Theotokos, but it is an example of an akathist which you can hear. It uses the Greek chant. Different Churches have different chant traditions so the same akathist would sound differently in a Russian or Ukrainian Church. You can read an akathist if you don’t know how to chant it. I thought you might be interested in hearing an example.
goarch.org/en/multimedia/audio.asp?

You can purchase books with a moleben and the akathist to the Theotokos for under $5 a piece a piece if you would like to have them with your icon.
 
http://rusmonastery.org/photo/chasha2.jpg

O most merciful sovereign Lady: today do we run to your holy protection. Do not reject our petitions, but graciously hear us: the wives, the children and mothers, and all those bound by the infirmity of drink. Hear us for the sake of our Mother, the Church of Christ, and for the salvation of our brothers and sisters who have fallen away, and for the healing of the members of our families.

O gracious Mother of God, touch their hearts and raise them up who are fallen in sin, and establish them on the path of saving temperance.

Implore your Son, Christ our God, that He would forgive us our sins, and that He would not turn His mercy from us, but strengthen us in soberness and chastity.

Accept, most holy Theotokos, the prayers of the mothers and the tears they shed over their children; the prayers of wives, who sob over their husbands’ condition; of children, of orphans, and of the destitute; of those under delusion and of all of us, who bow before your icon. And grant that our petitions would be carried by your prayers to the throne of the Highest.

Cover us and preserve us from the wiles and snares of the enemy, and in the dreaded hour of our departure from this earth, enable us to pass through the ordeal without falling, and by your prayers deliver us from eternal condemnation. And grant that the mercy of God would be upon us unto ages of ages. Amen!
How very beautiful. What a great blessing this is. Thank you.

May Jesus God grant you Many years.
 
I am an Eastern Orthodox and a recovering alcoholic. In fact I almost killed myself with my drinking (severe withdrawal). Of course I don’t know what the Eastern Catholic position on this is but my bishop says, and I agree, that it’s impossible to be harmed in any way by the Body and Blood of Christ and that it’s perfectly safe for a recovering alcoholic to receive . So I receive the Eucharist every week with no harm. 😉
Besides what is said in this forum, I think it would be worthwhile to take the time to seek out a recovering priest and read what “official” literature there may be regarding this. And perhaps write a letter to a priest who answers questions in publications.
 
:extrahappy: Be sure to have it blessed when you are able to.

A moleben is a prayer of supplication. Here is the general outline of a moleben.
orthodox.net/services/moleben.html

Here is how to pray a moleben without a priest or deacon.
saintjonah.org/services/moleben.htm

A moleben can have a shorter akathist inside it, honoring a particular saint or the Lord. Here is how to pray an akathist prayer on your own.
saintjonah.org/services/order.htm

Here is the rest of the akathist Father Deacon Randy started above in honor of the Icon of the Inexhaustible Cup.
antiochian.org/1103412970

This is a different akathist to the Theotokos, but it is an example of an akathist which you can hear. It uses the Greek chant. Different Churches have different chant traditions so the same akathist would sound differently in a Russian or Ukrainian Church. You can read an akathist if you don’t know how to chant it. I thought you might be interested in hearing an example.
goarch.org/en/multimedia/audio.asp?

You can purchase books with a moleben and the akathist to the Theotokos for under $5 a piece a piece if you would like to have them with your icon.
I keep a copy of the Akathist to the Mother of God the Inexhaustible Cup in my icon corner and will occasionally read it for myself or someone else I know is suffering from addiction.

Most Holy Theotokos, save us!
 
:extrahappy: Be sure to have it blessed when you are able to.

A moleben is a prayer of supplication. Here is the general outline of a moleben.
orthodox.net/services/moleben.html

Here is how to pray a moleben without a priest or deacon.
saintjonah.org/services/moleben.htm

A moleben can have a shorter akathist inside it, honoring a particular saint or the Lord. Here is how to pray an akathist prayer on your own.
saintjonah.org/services/order.htm

Here is the rest of the akathist Father Deacon Randy started above in honor of the Icon of the Inexhaustible Cup.
antiochian.org/1103412970

This is a different akathist to the Theotokos, but it is an example of an akathist which you can hear. It uses the Greek chant. Different Churches have different chant traditions so the same akathist would sound differently in a Russian or Ukrainian Church. You can read an akathist if you don’t know how to chant it. I thought you might be interested in hearing an example.
goarch.org/en/multimedia/audio.asp?

You can purchase books with a moleben and the akathist to the Theotokos for under $5 a piece a piece if you would like to have them with your icon.
Thank you for the links! I will check them all as soon as I get an opportunity! I did get a beautiful (Russian, I believe) icon of “the Inexhaustable Cup” from an Orthodox bookstore/chapel semi-nearby. I discovered the place a few years ago while working in the area. All the icons they have for sale there are blessed and I have added her to my little altar here at home and printed out the prayers the previous posters had put up, I am looking forward to opening all those links, thanks again to you all!
 
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