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Xantippe
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7armyrugrats said:
“When discerning monthly if you still have just/serious/grave reasons, if no reasons exist, NFP should be abandoned. No one has said that couples that continue to use NFP ARE sinful, but I admit I have said they MAY VERY WELL BE sinful because they are using NFP no differently than ABC. The reason many people who abandon NFP for ABC is because they realize this in themselves and they are tired of being judged for it.”
“Most couples that do strictly follow the rules of NFP do not have the problems we had. People can go a decade or longer and never conceive because they are lucky enough to have easy to read signs. It isn’t always used for just reasons. When used as the default, how is NFP less moral than using ABC when that couple has tried everything else and the reasons to avoid are serious?”
I assume you mean “how is NFP more moral.”
I will turn this over to my husband the ethicist.
Xantippe’s husband says:
"There are two separate moral questions. The first is the question of the circumstances under which a couple may or even should avoid conception. The second is the question of the means by which they may avoid conception. The questions, while interrelated, should not be confused.
"The first question applies no matter what means one thinks are morally available: total abstinence, NFP or ABC. There are of course clear cases where it is one’s duty to avoid conception and there are clear cases where it is one’s duty not to, but there are also cases that call for judgment. In general, there are moral situations where Aquinas insists that ‘there is no general rule, … and the matter requires the judgment of a prudent man’ (Summa Theol. II-II, 31, 3, repl. 1) '–the question Aquinas has in mind is one where one weighs helping a relative in lesser need versus a stranger in greater need. And the question whether to avoid conception is a question of judging between very different moral considerations: duties to spouse, responsibilities for children already in existence and other relatives, duties to self, the intrinsic value of new life, and the importance of that new life for the life of the marriage. Apart from clear cases on either extreme, a judgment needs to involve details of particular circumstances. Nonetheless, I think one can give some rules of thumb. First, one is on safer ground if the reason one avoids conception is because of a clear duty that one has to one’s spouse, one’s children or other close relatives (and this may include the duty to stay alive for their sake). A second rule of thumb is that the reasons are grave enough that one would abstain completely if that were the only method available. These are just rules of thumb, and have exception.
"The second question is of means to avoid conception. And here the Church is clear. When the couple engages in marital relations, they need to honestly and without subterfuge give to each other what fertility that they have at that time. That gift of fertility is what unites them together as one body, after all. So the one permissible way to avoid conception is to abstain from marital relations when that fertility is likely to be there. But of course when the fertility is unlikely to be there, there is no point to abstinence.
"When one makes a decision, one needs to weigh the consequences in light of the available information, gathering more information as needed. One can think of a couple practicing NFP as simply doing this. They are deciding whether to have marital relations in light of all the information they have, including information on the likely consequences of the act. When fertile, the consequences include a serious chance of conception. When infertile, they don’t.
“The difference between NFP and ABC is clear. In NFP each gives to each what fertility they have, without holding back or subterfuge.”
“When discerning monthly if you still have just/serious/grave reasons, if no reasons exist, NFP should be abandoned. No one has said that couples that continue to use NFP ARE sinful, but I admit I have said they MAY VERY WELL BE sinful because they are using NFP no differently than ABC. The reason many people who abandon NFP for ABC is because they realize this in themselves and they are tired of being judged for it.”
“Most couples that do strictly follow the rules of NFP do not have the problems we had. People can go a decade or longer and never conceive because they are lucky enough to have easy to read signs. It isn’t always used for just reasons. When used as the default, how is NFP less moral than using ABC when that couple has tried everything else and the reasons to avoid are serious?”
I assume you mean “how is NFP more moral.”
I will turn this over to my husband the ethicist.
Xantippe’s husband says:
"There are two separate moral questions. The first is the question of the circumstances under which a couple may or even should avoid conception. The second is the question of the means by which they may avoid conception. The questions, while interrelated, should not be confused.
"The first question applies no matter what means one thinks are morally available: total abstinence, NFP or ABC. There are of course clear cases where it is one’s duty to avoid conception and there are clear cases where it is one’s duty not to, but there are also cases that call for judgment. In general, there are moral situations where Aquinas insists that ‘there is no general rule, … and the matter requires the judgment of a prudent man’ (Summa Theol. II-II, 31, 3, repl. 1) '–the question Aquinas has in mind is one where one weighs helping a relative in lesser need versus a stranger in greater need. And the question whether to avoid conception is a question of judging between very different moral considerations: duties to spouse, responsibilities for children already in existence and other relatives, duties to self, the intrinsic value of new life, and the importance of that new life for the life of the marriage. Apart from clear cases on either extreme, a judgment needs to involve details of particular circumstances. Nonetheless, I think one can give some rules of thumb. First, one is on safer ground if the reason one avoids conception is because of a clear duty that one has to one’s spouse, one’s children or other close relatives (and this may include the duty to stay alive for their sake). A second rule of thumb is that the reasons are grave enough that one would abstain completely if that were the only method available. These are just rules of thumb, and have exception.
"The second question is of means to avoid conception. And here the Church is clear. When the couple engages in marital relations, they need to honestly and without subterfuge give to each other what fertility that they have at that time. That gift of fertility is what unites them together as one body, after all. So the one permissible way to avoid conception is to abstain from marital relations when that fertility is likely to be there. But of course when the fertility is unlikely to be there, there is no point to abstinence.
"When one makes a decision, one needs to weigh the consequences in light of the available information, gathering more information as needed. One can think of a couple practicing NFP as simply doing this. They are deciding whether to have marital relations in light of all the information they have, including information on the likely consequences of the act. When fertile, the consequences include a serious chance of conception. When infertile, they don’t.
“The difference between NFP and ABC is clear. In NFP each gives to each what fertility they have, without holding back or subterfuge.”