ABC as pastorally appropriate for kids who regardless might or are going to engage in sex?

[setter]

Did the Church compromise in the past? Does pastoral include hiding the truth? As has been said many times only emphasizing part of the truth while downplaying another part of the truth makes the truth a lie.

Agreed.

Why make these things opposites?

I’m not …they are integral facets of the whole of love, experiential and the object of love, either I-you or I-Thou.

Again, there is nothing new under the sun. I fail to see why we must only accent one part of the truth. It is not and either/or issue. Why underestimate these young people?

I am alluding to the logical and tactical approach to winning over minds and hearts to the truth of the gospel found and encountered in the person of Jesus Christ. There is no blanket approach to evangelization. My agreement with the these workshop presenters is that it is helpful to know one’s audience, via cultural influences, to know how to most effectively further the goal of the Holy Spirirt to win souls over to Christ. Would you not agree?

Please feel free to share your personal experience of your evangelization encounters with the largely unchurched millennials generation for all our benefit.

Not really.

Oh well, better luck next time …

 

[fix]

I am alluding to the logical and tactical approach to winning over minds and hearts to the truth of the gospel found and encountered in the person of Jesus Christ. There is no blanket approach to evangelization. My agreement with the these workshop presenters is that it is helpful to know one’s audience, via cultural influences, to know how to most effectively further the goal of the Holy Spirirt to win souls over to Christ. Would you not agree?

To a point I agree. As you say one approach is not acceptable in each case. That does not mean it is acceptable to tell people it is ok to sin.

Please feel free to share your personal experience of your evangelization encounters with the largely unchurched millennials generation for all our benefit.

On a personal note I find folks in this age group similar to other folks who are influenced more by pop culture and pop reasoning.

If one approach is not applicable in each case then why the need for your workshop folks to say what they said?

 

[mercygate]

setter –

how about looking at some of the materials from Jason and Crystallina Evert linked on the home page of Catholic Answers under PureLoveClub.com?

 

[JohnGrey]

Both credentialed (PhD psychologists) self identified “faithful Catholic” speakers at a recent diocesan sponsed workshop on human sexuality when addressing effective strategies to reach adolescents, stated their opinion that there is need for “open dialogue” amongst Church ministers regarding the pastoral prudence and licitness of explaining to kids the use of contraception, as an option, should the kids not yet suscribe to abstinence only programming. This encompassing prescription/approach was offered as superseeding/bypassing the moral wrong of contraception due to the health and pregnancy risks of having “unprotected” sex (either oral or vaginal). Is this consistent with Catholic moral teaching and pastoral guidance to our impressionable and often ungrounded adolescents and young adult unmarried Catholics?

My mother always told me that you can tell a child not to touch a stove burner till you’re blue in the face but the best way for them to learn not to touch it is to do so. My problem with the whole “lesser evil” argument is that it takes away the fundamental concept of consequences. If someone acquires an STD through unprotected sex, the there are two matters involved. The act itself and the manner of the act. As there is a healthy body of evidence that latex condoms do not protect against a large number of STDs, the act itself must be called into question. Can we expect our kids not to fall prey to pressure? Absolutely. I’m sure many of us can remember a time when pre-marital sex was not only extraordinary but carried with it its own reciprocal pressure in social ostracism.

The simple fact is that a morally negative act cannot be justified. This is the clear teaching of the CCC.

 

[setter]

To a point I agree. As you say one approach is not acceptable in each case. That does not mean it is acceptable to tell people it is ok to sin.

Agreed.

On a personal note I find folks in this age group similar to other folks who are influenced more by pop culture and pop reasoning.

If one approach is not applicable in each case then why the need for your workshop folks to say what they said?

One must pick and choose as in sorting out the chaff from the wheat, as it is not always an all/nothing, either/or proposition …I do not at all agree with or endorse any recommendation by these presenters which transgresses Catholic morality; however, developing effective strategies fro evangelization is supported by knowing one’s audience as they helped to elucidate.

 

[setter]

setter –

how about looking at some of the materials from Jason and Crystallina Evert linked on the home page of Catholic Answers under PureLoveClub.com?

Thank you for the recommendation …I will check it out.

 

[setter]

My problem with the whole “lesser evil” argument is that it takes away the fundamental concept of consequences.

You make an interesting point.

The simple fact is that a morally negative act cannot be justified. This is the clear teaching of the CCC.

Amen.

 

[Pious_Mat]

I always laugh when I hear about “kids today” and sexual matters pretaining to them.

Some people just seem to think that NASA invented sex in the 1960s. Well, it wasn’t, and sorry to break it to some people, but ABC has been around for just as long. During the height of the Roman Empire, sexual immorality, including contraception, were just as bad, if not worse, than today. Now, did Saint Paul, who lived in the Roman Empire during this time, and Evangelized among many who were liscentious, compromise any doctrine? Nope. In fact, he was a lot harsher than many of his peers would have been. As was Our Lord, who gave his Apostles many hard teachings. In short, never did any Holy person in the history of the Church ever tell half-truths to their followers.

And in my opinion, anyone who try to justify an objectively sinful act should not be speaking at Catholic functions, no matter how educated or intelligent they are.