"Abomination of desolation"

[Hellothere]

The book of daniel talks about the abomination of the desolate in end times.

It sounds like something really pagan happens in ‘the holy place’
then Jesus returns 3 and a half years after?

have i got that correct?

 

[BartholomewB]

In the 160s BC, Antiochus Epiphanes was the ruler of the Seleucid empire, which included Judea. He ordered the Temple priesthood to stop worshiping the Jewish God and to sacrifice to the pagan gods of Greece instead. That event is what Daniel refers to as “the abomination of desolation.” It triggered the Maccabean revolt against Seleucid rule. Judea then became an independent kingdom for a hundred years, until Mark Antony seized it for the Roman empire.

Antiochus IV Epiphanes - Wikipedia

 

[Hellothere]

but it also mirrors our time, the book of daniel is apocolyptic?

 

[BartholomewB]

I’ll leave that question to the experts. Daniel is a difficult book. There are different interpretations.

 

[ReaderT]

The book of daniel talks about the abomination of the desolate in end times.

It sounds like something really pagan happens in ‘the holy place’
then Jesus returns 3 and a half years after?

have i got that correct?

Many Orthodox writers say it refers to the antichrist, who will try to make people believe that he is Christ returned (“anti-” in Greek also means “in place of”).

Our elders seem to say that the temple of Jerusalem will be rebuilt in the end times, and the antichrist will take his place in the temple (maybe in the Holy of Holies) to be worshipped as the second coming of Christ.

Fr. Seraphim Rose, “Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future”:

According to [Holy Scripture and Orthodox Tradition], world history will culminate in an almost superhuman “Christian” figure, the false Messiah or Antichrist. He will be “Christian” in the sense that his whole function and his very being will center on Christ, Whom he will imitate in every respect possible, and he will be not merely the greatest enemy of Christ, but in order to deceive Christians will appear to be Christ, come to earth for a second time and ruling from the restored Temple in Jerusalem. "Let no one deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come except there come a falling away (apostasy) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God… even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all lying wonders, and with all deceivableness in them that perish … (II Thessalonians 2:3-4, 9-12). "

…Our Savior Himself has warned us: "Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is the Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Behold I have told you beforehand. If therefore they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the wilderness, go not forth; Behold, he is in the inner chambers, believe it not. For as lightning cometh forth from the east, and is seen even unto the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be " (Matt. 24:23-27). The Second Coming of Christ will be unmistakable: it will be sudden, from heaven (Acts 1:11), and it will mark the end of this world. There can be no “preparation” for it - save only the Orthodox Christian preparation of repentance, spiritual life, and watchfulness. Those who are “preparing” for it in any other way, who say that he is anywhere “here” - especially “here” in the Temple of Jerusalem - or who preach that “Jesus is coming soon” without warning of the great deception that is to precede His Coming: are clearly the prophets of Antichrist, the false Christ who must come first and deceive the world

 

[Tis_Bearself]

but it also mirrors our time, the book of daniel is apocolyptic?

From a Catholic standpoint, looking for apocalyptic “mirrors of our time” in the Scripture is likely just going to create a lot of confusion and anxiety.

Bottom line is we’re going to have ups and downs until Christ comes again. As to when he will arrive, only God knows the day and the hour.

Catholics also don’t sit around interpreting the Scripture themselves looking for signs of the apocalypse that apply to today’s world.

 

[Genesis315]

The Haydock commentary mentions various interpretations. I favor the “all three” interpretation.

Desolation. Some understand this of the profanation of the temple by the crimes of the Jews, and by the bloody faction of the zealots. Others, of the bringing in thither the ensigns and standard of the pagan Romans. Others, in fine, distinguish three different times of desolation: viz. that under Antiochus; that when the temple was destroyed by the Romans; and the last near the end of the world, under antichrist. To all which, as they suppose, this prophecy may have a relation.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Yes, and it’s one thing to see it as a general reference to the time of the antichrist.
It’s another thing to say, “oh look, must be happening now” or “when we see these things it will be the time of the antichrist.”

 

[Julius_Caesar]

Maybe the Roman eagles over Jerusalem?

 

[Julius_Caesar]

anti-” in Greek also means “in place of”).

Anti means against.

 

[ReaderT]

ReaderT:

anti-” in Greek also means “in place of”).

Anti means against.

The prefix in Greek can also mean: “instead of”, “as a substitute for”, " in return for", and “in place of”

Source: https://biblehub.com/greek/473.htm

 

[Carmel]

The book of daniel talks about the abomination of the desolate in end times.

It sounds like something really pagan happens in ‘the holy place’
then Jesus returns 3 and a half years after

In Matt: 24.15 Jesus refers to Daniel’s prophecy about the abomination of desolation.
Daniel refers to the abolishment of the Mass in Ch 12v11 " And from the time when the continual sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination unto desolation shall be set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days ".
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