Aborting for Rape

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**Please bear with me, this may be a bit long…I’ve been thinking about this, and rape seems to be the biggest reason why people think abortion is necessary. **
At first I was one of those people, for a long time I thought what everyone else seemed to think: that the pregnancy would be too emotionally painful for the woman, that the child would be a reminder of a person who hurt her…etc.
**But then I saw that the president (now former) of Planned Parenthood had put togethor a book of the “stories” from girls and women who had aborted their own for various reasons. Out of curiosity I read some excerpts of it. **
And what I saw shocked me. It really got me thinking.
There was 2 or 3 little quotes from women who had divorced their husbands while pregnant. They said they “hated” him, didn’t want anything to do with him, and didn’t want to be “reminded” of him by the child. Being a child of divorce myself, I can’t think of it as any reason to abort your own child.
**But it’s the exact same logic. **
**Now, this is what I mean to say: imagine that same woman had waited just a few months later to divorce. Say the child had just been born. Is the vehemence she feels toward that child because of the father warranted? Most judges would say not, most judges would put you through parental counseling/and or remove the child from your custody. Would it be right and moral for her to go on hating the child while it lived? What if she could overcome those feelings, through counseling or prayer?? Should she be able to kill any living children she has with him, too, because of her “emotional distress” at having to raise a child that belongs to someone she hates?? **
 
Great points!

For those of us that acknowlegde abortion is murder, the fact that a child may have been concieved by rape doesn’t somehow make an abortion any less horrible; an innocent child is still intentionally killed. Are children concieved by rape less human or any less valuable? If it were ok to kill a child because he/she has a rapist for a father, does that mean it is ok to kill anyone we happen to know was concieved this way?

Of course that argument doesnt make any more sense than any of the other arguments for abortion.
 
When women who have been raped decide to have an abortion, the consequences to them are very grave. They often feel like they have been victimized all over again, and that they have done something similar to their child. Many of these women, if they don’t received help and counseling, end up abusing drugs and alcohol and often commiting suicide.

For those women who decide to have their baby, they feel as though something positive has come from something very negative; for those who choose to keep their children, it often helps them come to forgive their rapist because something good has come from something evil.

That’s the amazing thing about God: He can take something so terrible and so painful and make something good out of it.

Hate will only continue to hurt the rape victim. Forgiveness is much more healthy for her own soul and will benefit her much when she can reach that point.

There is more information available about this from:

www.priestsforlife.org
www.rachelsvineyard.org
 
Yeah but you do have men that intentionally cause their women to abort against their will. ** I think this is worse than rape, this is the worst thing anyone could do to a woman.**

I just read an article about something that happened in my own state about 2 years ago.

This man slipped several doses of cytotec (an over the counter abortion drug, I believe) into his girlfriend’s drink. She didn’t want an abortion, but she had one at 17 weeks because of this. He was charged with murder because he killed the fetus. But if she had wanted to have the abortion, it wouldn’t have been murder.

Make any sense at all?

I can link you to the article, if you like.
 
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Didi:
There is more information available about this from:

www.priestsforlife.org
www.rachelsvineyard.org
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I followed these links but do you have anything with statistics? I’m having trouble finding any objective source on this… just in case I had to talk to someone about it.
 
I think it’s one thing for a woman to go in for an abortion, and another for a man to force an abortion on the woman. At least, it’s different reasons. Yes, I believe that abortion is murder. Which is why I’m against abortion. But the reasons a woman gives for the abortion is different that the reason a man would give for forcing the abortion on the woman. I don’t think I’m making much sense right now, but I’m tring.

I think I remember reading about a case where an eight month pregnant woman was hurt/killed in a car accident. The unborn baby was killed, and the person responsible for the accident was charge with murder for it.

A little diferent subject here, but have any of you heard about the case where a Missouri woman was killed and her “fetus” removed from her body? The woman responsible lives her in Kansas. She tried to say that she had given birth to the baby. But she was caught and taken to jail. What got me was that her family apparently believed her story.

What was her story? That she had gone into Topeka to shop, had given birth and called her husband for a ride home. All on the same day. A bit of a stretch don’t you think? I can’t believe anyone would believe a story like that. But, apparently, some did. Thank God she was caught. The baby was reunited with her father.
 
Abortion for rape? That’s a big joke. Since when is a son or daughter responsible for the father’s sin?

For incest? Incest doesn’t even require rape. A willing affair is still incest. Next, if it isn’t brother with sister or parent with child, there can even be a dispensation given for the two to marry. That would be it, I guess.

What needs to be pointed out is that it’s a horrible fate for a teenage girl to have to bear the child of her own father. She can’t be left alone with that.
 
From "Why Can’t We Love Them Both"

RAPE

*Pregnant from rape?
Why not abort her?
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Does anyone win after a rape?

Once, after answering questions on rape on a radio show, one of your authors was called to the phone after the program. A woman’s voice said,
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  "You were talking about me. You see, I am the product of rape. An intruder forced   his way into my parents’ house, tied up my father and, with him watching, raped my   mother. I was conceived that night. Everyone advised an abortion. The local doctors and   hospital were willing. My father, however, said, ‘Even though not mine, that is a   child and I will not allow it to be killed!’ I don’t know how many times that,   as I lay secure in the loving arms of my husband, I have thanked God for my wonderful   Christian father."

And so, does anyone win? Yes, the baby does.
 
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Rape used most frequently as justification for abortion, yet so infrequently the reason.
 
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Christian4life:
I followed these links but do you have anything with statistics? I’m having trouble finding any objective source on this… just in case I had to talk to someone about it.
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There are some links on this site to articles and things about the negative impacts of abortion:
abortionfacts.com/reardon/about_elliot.asp

As a side story, I was in a speech class a couple semesters ago, and a girl gave a speech on why abortion should be illegal. Except, she said, in 3 situations. The first of which was that there was something wrong with the baby, the second was if the baby was conceived by rape, and the third if the mother’s life was in danger.
I questioned her on the first, and then moved on to her second point, asking, “So, does abortion unrape the mother?”
Almost the whole class started yelling at me. Apparently it was an unfair question…:ehh:
 
I agree it is a HORRIBLE thing for a girl to have to bear her father’s child. But try to remember, this happened in the Bible.

I saw a while back on a talk show how a young girl was being raped by her father, and when she gave birth she just thought of the baby like a doll that she played with. Her family acted like she was her sister.

The little girl grew up and never spoke of how she was concieved, she knew no one would accept her for it. People may claim not to be prejudiced, but when it comes to children of incest, they are.

Obviously if the child is born disabled, there will be extra problems.

But here is what I think should happen. If ANY very young girl is pregnant, they need to find out WHO the father is and deal with that. Don’t deal with it by killing the child and covering it up. Because chances are, it’s abuse.
 
Sgt Sweaters:
There are some links on this site to articles and things about the negative impacts of abortion:
abortionfacts.com/reardon/about_elliot.asp

As a side story, I was in a speech class a couple semesters ago, and a girl gave a speech on why abortion should be illegal. Except, she said, in 3 situations. The first of which was that there was something wrong with the baby, the second was if the baby was conceived by rape, and the third if the mother’s life was in danger.
I questioned her on the first, and then moved on to her second point, asking, “So, does abortion unrape the mother?”
Almost the whole class started yelling at me. Apparently it was an unfair question…:ehh:
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Thank you.

And here’s what I think about her 3 reasons.
  1. Should only perfect babies be allowed to live? Shall we go kill all the disabled and retarded people we can find? How is it that someone who agrees it’s a baby, think it’s okay to kill a baby with a birth defect?? I have a birth defect, I have only partial sight in one eye. I may never be able to drive. Is it ok to kill me cause there’s something “wrong”? Who draws the line??
  2. So who you were concieved by and why determines whether or not you are human?
  3. Prove to me that there is any instance, other than tubal pregnancy (which isn’t exactly abortion since the child is dying anyway) where it is ABSOLUTELY necessary to have an abortion rather than a premature birth or c-section. I have yet to hear of one. Even if a woman has cancer - it is either progressing or not, if it is, she is pretty much dead already. If not, a few months is NOT going to make much difference. My best friend survived cancer of the uterus while she was pregnant. The doctor’s begged her to abort, instead she prayed. They are still both alive and healthy 11 years later.
 
Against All Odds

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The seed was swept from the flower by very violent winds.

It tossed and turned and whipped through the air.

Finally it landed in a small deep crack of a crag.

And with no light, no rain, no human love, no hope

It grew

It emerged

Into the light

Where there was rain

Where a mountain climber found it

Loved and appreciated for a moment in passing

It then had hope and knew what direction to grow.

http://www.pole2pole2000.com/oldsite/images/Machu-flower.jpg
 
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Christian4life:
Thank you.

And here’s what I think about her 3 reasons.
  1. Should only perfect babies be allowed to live? Shall we go kill all the disabled and retarded people we can find? How is it that someone who agrees it’s a baby, think it’s okay to kill a baby with a birth defect?? I have a birth defect, I have only partial sight in one eye. I may never be able to drive. Is it ok to kill me cause there’s something “wrong”? Who draws the line??
  2. So who you were concieved by and why determines whether or not you are human?
  3. Prove to me that there is any instance, other than tubal pregnancy (which isn’t exactly abortion since the child is dying anyway) where it is ABSOLUTELY necessary to have an abortion rather than a premature birth or c-section. I have yet to hear of one. Even if a woman has cancer - it is either progressing or not, if it is, she is pretty much dead already. If not, a few months is NOT going to make much difference. My best friend survived cancer of the uterus while she was pregnant. The doctor’s begged her to abort, instead she prayed. They are still both alive and healthy 11 years later.
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My oldest son was conceived also when my wife was raped. I could not imagine not having nor knowing him.
 
An intruder forced his way into my parents’ house, tied up my father and, with him watching, raped my mother.
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One of my unanswered questions is why something like that happens. I don’t believe God would use something like that for a punishment for sins even, let alone as a lesson. When someone calls a violent death or even a murder an early calling from God to the better world, I don’t feel offended. But if someone clasped his hands uttering a “Deus voluit” over that, I would be offended. I don’t know. It’s a nightmare. It was already too much for me in books, let alone if I saw it in a movie (if I have, I have forgotten because of my mind refusing to remember it). I could be dimly aware that such things would happen in reality, but it always seemed poetic license to me.

People say every child is created by God. Would God make a rape fruitful? Saying no feels like arrogance and pride. Saying yes feels like blashemy. Would God use rape to make a child come to life? I know women love children, even from rape. But who would go through rape again to have the same child? Who would watch his own wife being raped again? Who would consider it a blessing?

Still, the fifth is the fifth. If I shot the biological father before giving him the chance to do it or even after he already started but to interrupt it, I wouldn’t shed a tear for him. One reason I wouldn’t like to watch his execution, if he got one, would be that I couldn’t prevent myself from enjoying it. But the child… one can’t kill children. No matter what. It’s not right to kill anyone for anything another has done.
 
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Christian4life:
This man slipped several doses of cytotec (an over the counter abortion drug, I believe) into his girlfriend’s drink. .
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Cytotec is not an over the counter drug…it is a drug that is used in some cases to induce labor. And is used by a physician for that purpose.
~ Kathy ~
 
chevalier[color=#4b4b4b said:
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People say every child is created by God. Would God make a rape fruitful? Saying no feels like arrogance and pride. Saying yes feels like blashemy. Would God use rape to make a child come to life?
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I suppose life signifies triumph over evil. Rape can never be justified, in any circumstance; God has the final word.

I suppose also that it’s a similar principle, if not the same principle, of two people (even married people) conceiving in spite of using birth control. Their sex is illicit, and in effect they are comitting adultery. A mortal sin, yet still life results.

Just some thoughts.
 
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Katie1723:
Cytotec is not an over the counter drug…it is a drug that is used in some cases to induce labor. And is used by a physician for that purpose.
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Some abortionists use it, so I’m assuming it can be obtained other than through a hospital. If it is not over-the-counter, it soon may be. Unforunately you can get a prescription for it or drugs like it to induce abortion, of that I’m sure.
 
Life is always precious no matter the circumstances of it’s conception.

We cannot make one human life more important than another. It is horrific to be raped, abused etc. It is horrific to murder an innocent unborn person too. To kill the child because of trauma to the mother is to make her life more important then that of the child. Horrible things happen in our world as a direct result of sin…not always the sin of that person but the sin of all human beings. We have used our free will to bring death.

You could look at life that came from rape as God’s way of healing and bringing somethng beautiful out of something so painful.

As for the women that were quoted as saying they had abortions because the divorced their husbands and wanted nothing to remind them of him…I can hardly stand to think of such a thing. That is so selfish…but then abortion is an extremely selfish act. Many people get divorced way after having children and do not hate their children because they now hate their ex-spouse.

Anyway, if you truly couldn’t stand to be around your ex-spouses child or the child that resulted from an abortion…there are many childless couples who would love to raise that child. There is still no excuse for killing the unborn.

But what strikes me the most is that in our world, what really makes a human being valuable is weather or not they are wanted. If your mother wants you…you’re protected…if she doesn’t you’re no more than a blob of tissue. There was an article recently in which a couple sued a fertility clinic that destroyed the couples viable fertilized eggs. The judge in the case said these fertilized eggs were human beings and the couple could proceed with the case. I’m sure they got shot down in a higher court…but it still goes to show you that if the child is wanted then it’s a human being.
 
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