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I want to state first of all I’m against abortion. I think it’s almost become an obsession among us Catholics though. It seems that we are overlook anything by anyone who professes to support our position on this one issue. Christ’s teachings and adherence to them seems to take a back burner. The Bible says we’ll know them by their fruits. I or anyone else can say anything but are we seeing fruit? Character matters I think. We all sin and thankfully repentance and forgiveness is available to us. I’m frustrated at times that any discussion on issues turns into a debate on abortion.
 
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It seems that we are overlook anything by anyone who professes to support our position on this one issue.
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Are you referring to US politics, or do you see this in other areas of life?

In the area of politics, not Catholics all agree on this position.
 
I’m not talking politics specifically but yes it comes out more on the area of politics. It just seems abortion takes priority over all other issues. We seem to be so focused on it. For instance it seems humanitarian issues as a whole aren’t focused on as much as that one issue of abortion. Are we overly preoccupied with it at this point. Hunger, poverty,civil rights ect. only hit front burner when there’s a crisis.
 
I think the attitude toward abortion defines who we are , revealing our heiearchy of love.
 
I’m not sure I’m getting the point. The love part. Love your God with all your heart,soul and strength and your neighbor as yourself. Not the unborn only, not any.specific group. Neighbor is all. Love your enemy? I realize the standard is high and we all struggle with meeting it or even coming close but it’s the standard. Abortion as standard was never mentioned. Not attacking you just stating what He said.
 
the topic of abortion is one of the best measures of where ones heart is on respect for Gods Will and appreciation for ones own life and the life of others, It really starts there, doesnt It? It seems to be expected the topic of Abortion comes up often, the path of thought leads to it so often in todays diversity of conflicting ideas about real love.
 
Best measure? Well yes it may be for you. I believe it really is subjective. For others it may be feeding the poor, others providing healthcare. Not sure we can universally define it.
 
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I want to state first of all I’m against abortion…
…I’m frustrated at times that any discussion on issues turns into a debate on abortion.
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Is this a thread to discuss abortion?
I dont want to derail. 🙂
 
What was the point you were making about why people end up discussing abortions?
 
Once again.I’ll.drop this. Sorry.but thanks for all the flags.
 
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The issues we discuss needs to be proportional to the gravity of the evil being committed. Considering this is the taking of a human life with society’s stamp of approval, is it any wonder we Catholics give it the attention we do?
 
Abortion attacks the most vulnerable among us within a place that should be protecting them, the mother’s womb. An attack on the innocent unborn is among the most heinous and grave crimes committed in society. Is is contrary to the virtue of Justice and demands a response.

Feeding the poor, clothing the naked, and so forth are important but don’t deal with the same innocence that needs protecting like the unborn. This is what separates abortion from other social issues and why it is at the front of issues concerning Catholics.
 
I don’t know where you are, but in my neck of the woods abortion is only discussed with approval by the majority of the people who are not religious, with the usual, “I would not force MY opinion” and finally, with “well of COURSE when it comes to incest and rape why punish the poor woman”, “sometimes it is the right choice and instead of being all black-and-white we should acknowledge we have no RIGHT to make judgments, Catholics are sex-obsessed”. . .

And your “there are other issues’. . .as if any time there is a discussion of abortion by a Catholic, they ignore everything else.

As if every Catholic who speaks of abortion is IGNORING ‘all the other issues.’

As if Catholics never speak about anything else. Good gravy, Catholics are all over the place and have been for decades talking about social justice, migrant rights, black lives matter, women’s rights, sexism, racism, environmental issues, the care of the poor, euthanasia, assisted suicide etc. . .

And you’re worried that the great and nebulous “they” AKA, “Oh Catholics are just so focused on abortion and nothing else’ which statement is to be accepted as a truism based only on your opinion that it is so is going to do what? Turn off ‘everybody else”?

I will cheerfully give my opinion on a host of topics to which I strive to give an authentic Catholic viewpoint, but I really find all the “Catholics talk too much about X” statements are . . . just attempts to shut down a subject that gets ‘under the skin’ in favor of having . . . discussions of issues that EVERYBODY can feel good about just by talking, and not have to worry about ‘changing’ the thoughts of others.

It’s so easy to talk about things one does which are warmly accepted, “I recycle! I buy energy efficient! I reduce my carbon footprint. I support marginalized people in my talk.” But it isn’t so easy to say, “I think abortion is a terrible plague which has destroyed children’s lives and had a devastating effect on their parents and families and society itself”. Because, “Oh no how can you force YOUR IDEAS? How can you ‘judge another person”? What are YOU doing about it, are you willing to adopt the kids?”

Yep, try to shut down a view that is so despised. . .sadly even by fellow Catholics.

I guess it’s extreme to care that children are dying. . .dying like Mr. Floyd, without a chance to be heard. . .without their consent. . .
 
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What more do you need? I’d say manslaughter is pretty egregious.
 
I stepped out and didn’t get what was flagged. No matter.

Was there a question about abortion? Was it about politicians, or the people who vote for them?

Maybe was it just about ordinary people. Some people love babies. Other people kill babies. We know them by their fruits.
 
Sometimes it’s hard to be clear enough and yet respectful too. I know I fail at times. Even if we disagree, I still respect you and your posts. Don’t give up.
 
Agree. It is a big issue. Frankly it’s now in the hands of the judicial rhelm. Politicians are only being rhetorical at this point. This is one reason we should be focused on other issues as well. By the way I have not a lot of hope that abortion will ever be outlawed. Let’s reach people with the Gospel. Conversion brings change. It certainly did in my life.
 
We can. I think we’ve been heard. There is little doubt in many minds of our position. It’s becoming a drum beat with most minds made up. Doesn’t mean we should not speak up when opportunity arises but we’re maybe more effective one on one at this point. My impression is the demonstrations in Washington for instance has lost effectiveness and now is more a rally. Any case we all have to make our own way in this.
 
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