Abortion Advocates Applaud Potential Obama Move to Make Doctors Do Abortions

[jkarp]

A full equiped medical centre would have the facilitys to perform what is needed from them. Currently abortion is not illegal. This would mean that they should be equiped to perform abortions. This is what i was saying.

The doctor has the choice not to perform the operation. But does not have the right to deny that person the level of care that the government promises. (i dont like using the term care and abortion in the same sentence, but i could not think of a more appropriate term)

Anyway you say it, it is still cooperating with evil. A hospital that has abortion equipment is cooperating with evil; a doctor referring a patient for an abortion is cooperating with evil. The murder of the unborn is evil.

 

[Corki]

But i do think that medical facilitys who recieve tax payers money should all have to be equiped to perform the procedures. If a patients doctor is unwilling to perform an abortion on grounds of concience then they should be forced to refer the patient to a doctor who will.

A full equiped medical centre would have the facilitys to perform what is needed from them. Currently abortion is not illegal. This would mean that they should be equiped to perform abortions. This is what i was saying.

A “fully equiped medical center” does not mean that the center is able to provide any and every medical procedure, not even the non-elective ones. What is so special about abortion? There are many hospitals, for example, that don’t have neo-natal intensive care, or burn treatment, or orthopedic surgery.

I doubt there is a medical center in the world where you can get absolutely everything. Hospitals make decisions on what to offer based on many factors include cost, demand, availabilty of trained personnel, whether the procedure fits into the mission of the hospital, etc. So why should a hospital not be able to make the use the same decision making process as to whether to offer abortions?

If I want to have surgery on my bad knees and go to my regular doctor, who is not a surgeon, he doesn’t have to do the surgery. He might, as a curtesy, refer me to a surgeon who does, but he doesn’t have to. And if he thinks it is a bad idea, he is free to try to talk me out of it. Why would the same standards not apply to abortion?

And all of the above is just the logical and business reasons why this is a bad idea, not even touching the moral ones.

 

[allhers]

In humans, the prefetal product of conception from implantation through the eighth week of development.
It’s defined as an embryo.
answers.com/topic/embryo
Someone asked this earlier:
Science does not class an early stage embryo as a human being
What does science class an early stage embryo as?

Fetus: The unborn offspring from the end of the 8th week after conception (when the major structures have formed) until birth. Up until the eighth week, the developing offspring is called an embryo.
medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=3424

So, an embryo in humans is defined as the product of conception from implantation through the eighth week of development.
A fetus is - in humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier embryo.

Apparently it is safe to assume that an embryo, and a fetus are our preborn.

 

[elts1956]

I think forcing doctors to perform abortions would be a terrible pratice. But i do think that medical facilitys who recieve tax payers money should all have to be equiped to perform the procedures. If a patients doctor is unwilling to perform an abortion on grounds of concience then they should be forced to refer the patient to a doctor who will.

Uh huh, real freedom of conscience here. Hopefully the medical personnel will direct the woman to a good pro life shelter, or pro life help of some kind.,

 

[elts1956]

I have a question that I need to ask and get off my chest. Recently, there was an 11 year old in Pennsylvania that shot and killed a pregnant woman. It was horrendous news to me, but unfortunately it seems the way society is heading.

Last I heard, he was being charged for murdering the woman and also “homicide of an unborn child”.

That is so hypocritical of us in the US. What on earth is the difference between “homicide of an unborn child” and an “abortion”? Both are attempts at getting rid of an unwanted person. I see absolutely no difference other than one is legal and the other is not.

Or do you think this should be a topic of another thread? …

The Title of the other thread could be called the Schizophrenic morals and values of the American Public. Also some states have their own laws protecting an unborn child beginning at certain months. This also contributes to the moral schizophrenia. I think I will start another thread on this as soon as I get through paying my bills.

 

[Squishy]

Ok, their is a lot to reply to here so i will try and just answer in bulk without quoting everyone.

I do not really understand what a ‘catholic’ hospital is. So their is a little bit of confusion their. I would not expect many patients looking for an abortion to go to a hospital that is run by the church.

Comparing abortions to a boob job i do not think is a fair comparison. Both are elective surgerys that are 99% of the time none life threatening (can a boob job be a life saving procedure?) However i do think that abortions or carrying a baby to term can have some seriously life changing effects. Much more so than having bigger breasts.

I think their was a misunderstanding of a referal. In this country, its very difficult to get an apointment with a doctor without a referal from your own GP. I was assuming the case was the same in america. Which is why i was saying that not refering the patient onto a collegue results in evectivly preventing the abortion. Which the doctors do not have the right to do. At leaste not on moral grounds.

Of course not every medical centre can possibly be fully equiped. But an effort should be made to try and equip all medical facilities with what is required of them. With regard to the doctor trying to talk you out of surgery for your bad knees. How would you feel if he prevented you from recieving surgery because he felt it was immoral. Rather than on sound medical grounds.

Mapleoak. I will try to answer the corrupt laws in another thread. So please bear with me.

Basically. My opinion of the matter is doctors definatly should not be forced to perform procedures that are against what they think is right. But they should not have the ability to put roadblocks in the way that are not based on medical reasons. They should sit down with the patient. Discuss all possible avenues. Advise against it, because at the end of the day it is a terrible thing. But they should never activly prevent a patient from recieving an abortion.